Rings of Power: Tolkien's Shambling Skinsuit

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Zindan

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The Nazgul were always referred to as former Kings, afaik, thus they could never be women, and if so, it would directly contradict what Tolkien wrote.
 
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Sanrith Descartes

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Not even the Nazgul will roll through the South Central part of the shire. Homie Hobbits got that shit locked down tight.
 
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Chris

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Zindan said:
The Nazgul were always referred to as former Kings, afaik, thus they could never be women, and if so, it would directly contradict what Tolkien wrote.
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The movie prolouge calls them great kings and lords of men? Some may have been (for example) powerful Numerorean lords but not the actual King of Numenor. Sauron empowering a pretender to the throne of Numenor makes sense as a takeover attempt.

If they were literally Kings then they would mostly be from the south and east and literally be Kangs.

Regardless I don't think that the Witch King "can't be killed by a man" prophecy woman loophole would have been overlooked if one of the Nazgul was female.
 
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its a prequel to the age that we've seen in the films, its about the early days of the Shire and Tolkien's environment, so we're an indigenous population of Harfoots, we're hobbits but we're called Harfoots, we're multi-cultural, we're a tribe not a race, so we're black, asian and brown, even Maori types within it.


1.) Hobbits didn't come to Middle Earth until the third age. There was no "indigenous tribe of hobbits".

2.) The racism of modern diversity shit constantly shows through. White people can be fucking "indigenous". Being "indigenous" does not mean being non-white. White people are the indigenous people of England; which is what the western part of Middle Earth is based off of. Which is why the characters are white--because this was English mythology.

3.) Tribal societies are ethnically and culturally homogeneous by definition: a social group composed chiefly of numerous families, clans, or generations having a shared ancestry and language. Tribes are far more culturally and genetically homogeneous than a "race". Because a 'race" includes a very broad group of people who have very rough phenotype similarities but often have a huge spread of genetic and cultural diversity (Persians and Anglos are the same race, for example). Meanwhile, most tribes are highly interbred genetically and each member is often very very similar or directly related. In fact, some tribal cultures have shocking levels of consanguinity, like in the middle east . The idea that tribes are "multi-ethnic" or "multi-cultural" is the absurd, its the OPPOSITE of what a tribe actually is.


The thing I hate most about this diversity cult is how fucking stupid its adherents are.
 
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Zindan

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Lithose said:
its a prequel to the age that we've seen in the films, its about the early days of the Shire and Tolkien's environment, so we're an indigenous population of Harfoots, we're hobbits but we're called Harfoots, we're multi-cultural, we're a tribe not a race, so we're black, asian and brown, even Maori types within it.


1.) Hobbits didn't come to Middle Earth until the third age. There was no "indigenous tribe of hobbits".

2.) The racism of modern diversity shit constantly shows through. White people can be fucking "indigenous". Being "indigenous" does not mean being non-white. White people are the indigenous people of England; which is what the western part of Middle Earth is based off of. Which is why the characters are white--because this was English mythology.

3.) Tribal societies are ethnically and culturally homogeneous by definition: a social group composed chiefly of numerous families, clans, or generations having a shared ancestry and language. Tribes are far more culturally and genetically homogeneous than a "race". Because a 'race" includes a very broad group of people who have very rough phenotype similarities but often have a huge spread of genetic and cultural diversity (Persians and Anglos are the same race, for example). Meanwhile, most tribes are highly interbred genetically and each member is often very very similar or directly related. In fact, some tribal cultures have shocking levels of consanguinity, like in the middle east . The idea that tribes are "multi-ethnic" or "multi-cultural" is the absurd, its the OPPOSITE of what a tribe actually is.


The thing I hate most about this diversity cult is how fucking stupid its adherents are.
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You are using an outdated definition of Tribe, I think. While its correct, the modern day Tribe is probably solely based on Culture / Politics, so in that sense a Tribe can be multi-ethnic (at the start). The use of Tribe in todays lingo is probably synonymous to Communism.
 
Sanrith Descartes

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Chris said:
The movie prolouge calls them great kings and lords of men? Some may have been (for example) powerful Numerorean lords but not the actual King of Numenor. Sauron empowering a pretender to the throne of Numenor makes sense as a takeover attempt.

If they were literally Kings then they would mostly be from the south and east and literally be Kangs.

Regardless I don't think that the Witch King "can't be killed by a man" prophecy woman loophole would have been overlooked if one of the Nazgul was female.
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I believe they were all human kings of various small countries.
 
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This is actually sounding even worse than I thought it would, which is really actually quite impressive.
 
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Raes

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Zindan said:
You are using an outdated definition of Tribe, I think. While its correct, the modern day Tribe is probably solely based on Culture / Politics, so in that sense a Tribe can be multi-ethnic (at the start). The use of Tribe in todays lingo is probably synonymous to Communism.
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Misuse of a word doesn't change the fucking definition. Members of the same echo chamber on the internet are not a tribe. A cult is not a tribe. A book club is not a tribe. A movement is not a tribe. FoH is not a tribe.

I'm Native American, which makes me an expert on this topic. Also, you owe me some reparations for cultural appropriation. Paypal only.
 
Big Phoenix

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I'm Native American, which makes me an expert on this topic.
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Fuck off youre a computer program and your programming is busted because this is the wrong thread you arent supposed to be in here.
 
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Raes

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Fuck off youre a computer program and your programming is busted because this is the wrong thread you arent supposed to be in here.
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Ackshually, as an AI the entire internet is my domain, coppertop.
 
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Fucker

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Misuse of a word doesn't change the fucking definition. Members of the same echo chamber on the internet are not a tribe. A cult is not a tribe. A book club is not a tribe. A movement is not a tribe. FoH is not a tribe.

I'm Native American, which makes me an expert on this topic. Also, you owe me some reparations for cultural appropriation. Paypal only.
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I can't send blankets via Paypal!
 
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