shabushabu
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Obviously don’t know the scene but isn’t he supposed to be not so obviously evil at this time ? Tho My middle Earth knowledge must be off , I thought he was masquerading a bit ?
Rings of Power: Tolkien's Shambling Skinsuit
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Gavinmad
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She's already like twenty thousand years old by the time the show takes place.
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jayrebb
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Caliane
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its complicated. She is probably 8368 years old in LotR.
theres multiple timelines and time scales. and Tolkien contradicted himself once.
Before there was the sun, they measured time differently as well.. "Valian years", which is 9.58 solar years. (or 144 as Tolkien later stated.... which from what understand he changed to "felt like", so back to about 10)
She was born in Year of the trees 1362. which ended 1495. so 133 "valian years", which is either 1274 or 19,152 solar years..
The later ages from here, use solar years.
first age lasted 587 years,
second age 3441
the fellowship meets Galadriel in year 3019 of the third age.
so she was 5349 when the 2nd age ended, and 1908 when it started.
Now... if we use the 144 year version... Add 17,878 years to each of those...
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Lots of people like the 20k version as it makes Elves even more alien. but, from what I understand it messes the timeline up a bit.
theres multiple timelines and time scales. and Tolkien contradicted himself once.
Before there was the sun, they measured time differently as well.. "Valian years", which is 9.58 solar years. (or 144 as Tolkien later stated.... which from what understand he changed to "felt like", so back to about 10)
She was born in Year of the trees 1362. which ended 1495. so 133 "valian years", which is either 1274 or 19,152 solar years..
The later ages from here, use solar years.
first age lasted 587 years,
second age 3441
the fellowship meets Galadriel in year 3019 of the third age.
so she was 5349 when the 2nd age ended, and 1908 when it started.
Now... if we use the 144 year version... Add 17,878 years to each of those...
Timeline of Arda
Here is the complete timeline of Arda in J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle-earth canon - from Arda's creation to the last known events of the Fourth Age. Before the creation of the Sun, few dates can be given, and the dates that are are given in Valinorean Years, which are about a decade in length. Eru...
Lots of people like the 20k version as it makes Elves even more alien. but, from what I understand it messes the timeline up a bit.
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Daidraco
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its complicated. She is probably 8368 years old in LotR.
theres multiple timelines and time scales. and Tolkien contradicted himself once.
Before there was the sun, they measured time differently as well.. "Valian years", which is 9.58 solar years. (or 144 as Tolkien later stated.... which from what understand he changed to "felt like", so back to about 10)
She was born in Year of the trees 1362. which ended 1495. so 133 "valian years", which is either 1274 or 19,152 solar years..
The later ages from here, use solar years.
first age lasted 587 years,
second age 3441
the fellowship meets Galadriel in year 3019 of the third age.
so she was 5349 when the 2nd age ended, and 1908 when it started.
Now... if we use the 144 year version... Add 17,878 years to each of those...
Timeline of Arda
Here is the complete timeline of Arda in J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle-earth canon - from Arda's creation to the last known events of the Fourth Age. Before the creation of the Sun, few dates can be given, and the dates that are are given in Valinorean Years, which are about a decade in length. Eru...
Lots of people like the 20k version as it makes Elves even more alien. but, from what I understand it messes the timeline up a bit.
Okay - 8,368 years old or 20,000 years old - the point still stands that they dont understand the source material by calling her young.
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Caliane
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no. at the beginning of the second age, shes either 1908, or 19786.
at the end of the THIRD age, when the Fellowship arrives in Lothlorien, shes 8368, or 26,264.
there is 6460 years between the start of the Second age, and the end of the Third. (+3 actually, fellowship is 3018, fellowship meets Galadriel in 3019, the third age officially ends 3021)
for referance 6.4k years is still 24.5% of 26k.
Really the question isn't literal age though either. its maturity. like, if Elves acted like teenagers for 2000 years or what not. Pretty sure no. Elves reach maturity very quickly, so would be mature and wizened by like 100. At which point, 200, 2000, 20000 makes no difference. I don't remember any specifics from Tolkien on this. I DO remember the lotronline saying contrary a bit.. haha. That suggested younger new born elves 50-200 years old were downright suicidal, and hadn't learned the agelessness yet. many hating the idea of moving on West.
at the end of the THIRD age, when the Fellowship arrives in Lothlorien, shes 8368, or 26,264.
there is 6460 years between the start of the Second age, and the end of the Third. (+3 actually, fellowship is 3018, fellowship meets Galadriel in 3019, the third age officially ends 3021)
for referance 6.4k years is still 24.5% of 26k.
Really the question isn't literal age though either. its maturity. like, if Elves acted like teenagers for 2000 years or what not. Pretty sure no. Elves reach maturity very quickly, so would be mature and wizened by like 100. At which point, 200, 2000, 20000 makes no difference. I don't remember any specifics from Tolkien on this. I DO remember the lotronline saying contrary a bit.. haha. That suggested younger new born elves 50-200 years old were downright suicidal, and hadn't learned the agelessness yet. many hating the idea of moving on West.
Khalan
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Found this online describing overall arc:
So looks like they start at emminem and turn into the tin man by the end. I’m looking forward to it, I don’t mind all the SJW people keep whining about as long as it doesn’t become a big part of the plot. It the characters simply look all different but if the the story is good AND they are well written i then IDGAF.
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Drakurii
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My
Tuco
version was betterTuco's tolan free safe space
This thread is for tuco. He brings up a topic and frames it how he wants and if some detractors come along then fuck them.
Zindan
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But where did black elves come from? Or how did the royal line of Numenor end up being black?
reavor
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Masakari
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Chris
Potato del Grande
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Morgoth is in orbit during the Second Age.
If they adapt it properly, Sauron starts a secret Morgoth Cult on Numenor and starts doing Black Masses or some dark shit.
Chris
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He is fair looking and pretends to be "Annatar" which means giver of gifts, and is supposed to be a good Maiar who wants to help the people of Middle Earth.
He is a shapeshifter and spent the first age as a werewolf who loses rap battles to elf maidens.
