Routers & Other Networking Stuff

Cad · Dec 5, 2016

I use 3 AP's in my house with two of them in bridge mode and they play nice. They're all on the same SSID and the client just chooses the strongest one wherever you go. I let it auto-choose channels on all 3 and it's working well. All my real computers are wired but for tablets and phones and shit it works great.

Alkorin · Dec 5, 2016

Auto is fine most of the time. If you're seeing drops, though, that's when you might need to fine-tune. i.e. above example of mine.

Client bridging cuts your effective bandwidth in half so it's usually a last resort thing.

Jysin · Dec 5, 2016

5Ghz has much faster speeds, but lower penetration through walls & etc. This is why most routers will have dual band.

If your microwave is truly interfering your 2.4GHz band, you need to replace the microwave. It is shielded and shouldn't be emitting unless its super old or the shielding is somehow damaged. It probably got a lot more to do with the 2.4GHz band being unlicensed and used for an array of wireless devices. Any number of devices operate in that spectrum and could be the culprit. Hell, it could even be a neighbor. I am assuming you have already tried different channels?

*edit* Didn't refresh my page from earlier today before posting. Looks like someone else brought up channels already.

Flipmode · Dec 5, 2016

Looking to build out my network at home after I get my house all wired up with Cat 6a. I want to have a managed switch/router combo, gigabit on all ports and poe+ for when I add cameras. Ideally, I'd like a CLI to manage them on rather than a web interface. I'd probably want to run a couple of vlans too. Any suggestions?

Crone · Dec 5, 2016

Cad said:
I use 3 AP's in my house with two of them in bridge mode and they play nice. They're all on the same SSID and the client just chooses the strongest one wherever you go. I let it auto-choose channels on all 3 and it's working well. All my real computers are wired but for tablets and phones and shit it works great.

I suppose since it's the same ssid it doesn't matter, but android and iPhone hang onto WiFi signals for fucking way too long. I'm outside in my car, at my apartment, and it's got a sliver of signal left on the WiFi and it won't just switch to 4g. Had to use an app for a while called best WiFi that below a certain threshold would force switch it.

Cad · Dec 5, 2016

Crone said:
I suppose since it's the same ssid it doesn't matter, but android and iPhone hang onto WiFi signals for fucking way too long. I'm outside in my car, at my apartment, and it's got a sliver of signal left on the WiFi and it won't just switch to 4g. Had to use an app for a while called best WiFi that below a certain threshold would force switch it.

Iphone has wifi assist that theoretically will use LTE pretty quickly if your wifi isn't responsive but honestly I've found it's shitty. I mostly just don't look at my phone until I'm down the alley away from my house

Intrinsic · Dec 5, 2016

Cad said:
Iphone has wifi assist that theoretically will use LTE pretty quickly if your wifi isn't responsive but honestly I've found it's shitty. I mostly just don't look at my phone until I'm down the alley away from my house

I've complained about the same thing with my 5X on Fi in the cell phone thread. Sit at a red light for 30 seconds and it drops LTE for McDonald's WiFi and fux0rs with my streaming and reconnecting. The heuristics need some tweaking with this stuff, yet.

Also just as an update my Amplifi system has been awesome for covering my house which is two stories + basement and about 2200 sq ft. Both sets of parents bought for their house also and my Dad's house is probably 3500 sq ft.

a_skeleton_03 · Dec 5, 2016

Flipmode said:
Looking to build out my network at home after I get my house all wired up with Cat 6a. I want to have a managed switch/router combo, gigabit on all ports and poe+ for when I add cameras. Ideally, I'd like a CLI to manage them on rather than a web interface. I'd probably want to run a couple of vlans too. Any suggestions?

I enjoy the Ubiquiti gear myself.

I have two of these for AP, one upstairs and one downstairs.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PRO512/

This is my main switch and powers the AP's.

Amazon.com: Ubiquiti Networks 8-Port UniFi Switch, Managed PoE+ Gigabit Switch with SFP, 150W (US-8-150W): Computers & Accessories

This is my edge device plugging into the modem.

Amazon.com: Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X Advanced Gigabit Ethernet Routers ER-X 256MB Storage 5 Gigabit RJ45 ports: Computers & Accessories

I have these cheap unmanaged switches at every LAN drop.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A128S24/

Mist · Dec 5, 2016

a_skeleton_03 said:
I enjoy the Ubiquiti gear myself.

I have two of these for AP, one upstairs and one downstairs.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PRO512/

This is my main switch and powers the AP's.

Amazon.com: Ubiquiti Networks 8-Port UniFi Switch, Managed PoE+ Gigabit Switch with SFP, 150W (US-8-150W): Computers & Accessories

This is my edge device plugging into the modem.

Amazon.com: Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X Advanced Gigabit Ethernet Routers ER-X 256MB Storage 5 Gigabit RJ45 ports: Computers & Accessories

I have these cheap unmanaged switches at every LAN drop.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A128S24/

Yeah my network is basically identical, but only 1 WAP so far and I haven't gotten a POE switch yet. If I had a larger house, it would be something like a_skeleton_03's.

Though I would probably just get Amazon.com: NETGEAR ProSAFE GS108PE 8-Port Gigabit PoE Web Managed (Plus) Switch with 4 PoE Ports 53W (GS108PE-300NAS): Computers & Accessories for POE and then use Amazon.com: Ubiquiti INS-8023AF-I 802.3AF Passive PoE to 802.3AF Indoor Adapter: Computers & Accessories to power the Ubiquiti shit with its proprietary passive PoE.

a_skeleton_03 · Dec 5, 2016

Yeah I went a little expensive just because. The WAP's come with passive POE but I wanted the option to run straight from the switch.

Flipmode · Dec 5, 2016

I was gonna get 4 drops each at each TV location and the office area. The. 2 drops in each of the 3 bedrooms. So that's 18. Plus maybe 3 for cameras. I was looking at ubiquiti's 24 port poe switch. Is that overkill?

Ubiquiti UniFi Switch - 24 Ports Managed (US-24-250W) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OJZUQ24/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_TbKryb8DBNHHG

Also with the unifi version of their switch, I'd need to run their app on box 24/7 for config correct? If that's the case, would the edge switch be better?

Picasso3 · Dec 6, 2016

Why 4 drops at each tv?

Mist has better lan than me, 2017 infrastructure improvement plan getting reworked.

Flipmode · Dec 6, 2016

Picasso3 said:
Why 4 drops at each tv?

Mist has better lan than me, 2017 infrastructure improvement plan getting reworked.

One for the TV, PS4, Xbox1, Cable/satellite, etc. just throwing out scenarios but I can envision using them all eventually. Fast wifi is cool and all but wired beats wireless any day. I'll eventually be setting up a home lab too. May as well wire for more than I need then have to have more drops done later, right?

a_skeleton_03 · Dec 6, 2016

Flipmode said:
I was gonna get 4 drops each at each TV location and the office area. The. 2 drops in each of the 3 bedrooms. So that's 18. Plus maybe 3 for cameras. I was looking at ubiquiti's 24 port poe switch. Is that overkill?

Ubiquiti UniFi Switch - 24 Ports Managed (US-24-250W) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OJZUQ24/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_TbKryb8DBNHHG

Also with the unifi version of their switch, I'd need to run their app on box 24/7 for config correct? If that's the case, would the edge switch be better?

You don't need to run the app 24/7, only when you need it. If you want to CLI it then you can just SSH in without it running at all.

I bought the cloud key myself so I wouldn't have to think about it and I can control it remotely to open ports when I need to from work.

Flipmode · Dec 6, 2016

a_skeleton_03 said:
You don't need to run the app 24/7, only when you need it. If you want to CLI it then you can just SSH in without it running at all.

I bought the cloud key myself so I wouldn't have to think about it and I can control it remotely to open ports when I need to from work.

How does that cloud key work?

a_skeleton_03 · Dec 6, 2016

Flipmode said:
How does that cloud key work?

Just takes a jack and runs the management OS on it. Basically how every other router does it but a specific device for it. It is POE or you can power it via USB to a power brick.

Cad · Dec 6, 2016

Flipmode said:
One for the TV, PS4, Xbox1, Cable/satellite, etc. just throwing out scenarios but I can envision using them all eventually. Fast wifi is cool and all but wired beats wireless any day. I'll eventually be setting up a home lab too. May as well wire for more than I need then have to have more drops done later, right?

Yea you could use them all, but why separate cables for each? If you're paying for them to run wire I guess 4 isn't much more expensive than 1, but it's not like xbox uses gigabit bandwidth ever so sharing a port would hurt them somehow...

a_skeleton_03 · Dec 6, 2016

Cad said:
Yea you could use them all, but why separate cables for each? If you're paying for them to run wire I guess 4 isn't much more expensive than 1, but it's not like xbox uses gigabit bandwidth ever so sharing a port would hurt them somehow...

I wire absolutely everything that isn't a laptop or a handheld device without a jack.

I put one drop at each location and a 5 port switch there.

Flipmode · Dec 6, 2016

a_skeleton_03 said:
I wire absolutely everything that isn't a laptop or a handheld device without a jack.

I put one drop at each location and a 5 port switch there.

I think that is good idea. I just want a cleaner solution than a switch at every location. It really all depends on how expensive the drops are.

a_skeleton_03 · Dec 6, 2016

Flipmode said:
I think that is good idea. I just want a cleaner solution than a switch at every location. It really all depends on how expensive the drops are.

It's a lot cleaner and trust me no matter how much you plan all the theoretical drops you might want you will end up one short in a month.

If you run one drop you then just dump a bigger switch in there once you find out you are short on drops.

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