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Science Ethics and Racism in Drug Enforcement Thread
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My point was regarding TCM is that declaring unethical or not, it is up to the culture that uses it. Ethics are not universal as Hodj claims and Cad pointed this out. If I were in China TCM will be ethical, not effective but ethical. If I'm on the western world, tcm is unethical.
Hodj litmus test of "Is it valid, or quantifiable or tested" in order to determined ethically is ridiculous, even in the medical field, where there are lots of treatments that only work some times and we still use them with partial success.
Hodj please link me the ethics of parenting, so I can read them.
Hodj litmus test of "Is it valid, or quantifiable or tested" in order to determined ethically is ridiculous, even in the medical field, where there are lots of treatments that only work some times and we still use them with partial success.
Hodj please link me the ethics of parenting, so I can read them.
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If the ethics of woofuckery is up to the culture to decide then creationism should be taught in classrooms because sixty fucking percent of this retarded fucking culture literally believes the earth was created whole cloth 6000 years ago.
Teaching children demonstrable lies as truth is also unethical as fuck.
Teaching children demonstrable lies as truth is also unethical as fuck.
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It is unethical to teach that which is not demonstrably true as if it were true. If you think something is true, but cannot demonstrate it, then stop pretending to know things you do not know. Every crackpot snake oil huckster on the Earth will proclaim they truly believe the horseshit they are spewing. Again, I care not a whit for what someone believes, only what they know.
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So teaching any religion is unethical as it is not demonstrable by definition, or any stretch of human ability. Many religious individuals will assert, that not only they believe God to be true, they know that God exists. So under your line of thinking, those individuals are unethical.
Say it come on, stand by your words.
Say it come on, stand by your words.
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Hodj probably knows the terminology on this better, but trying to make an argument that a social order in power dictates the definition of what is ethical is basically "Might Makes Right", which is great in the rare cases when the powerful are actually on the correct side of things. Let me Godwin this shit and say that even if the Germans had won WW2, it did not make gassing all the jews any more ethical. Giving poor black men syphilis in this country to gather medical information certainly was not ethical, despite occurring in a highly racist period in our history and with full government sanction.
Ethics is one facet of the many complex social constructs in our species traits that makes us so successful. And like many of our instincts, humans are often capable of disregarding it when personal gain is on the table. People rationalize all sorts of bullshit to bend our morals and ethics, explain away things we do not understand, or just plain cope with bad situations. Those choices might be rational in some cases, but that does not in any way make them ethical. It might be rational to lie to people to achieve a goal or establish a means of control over the masses for social order (hi2u religion), but it is not ethical.
That's really the best case I can make for why ethics are independent of culture or even cold rational thinking. That is not to say they are universal, as like all areas of human experience they evolve over time as we learn more about the world around us. But the basic core concepts of empathy and valuing life are pretty much as close to universal as you can get.
Ethics is one facet of the many complex social constructs in our species traits that makes us so successful. And like many of our instincts, humans are often capable of disregarding it when personal gain is on the table. People rationalize all sorts of bullshit to bend our morals and ethics, explain away things we do not understand, or just plain cope with bad situations. Those choices might be rational in some cases, but that does not in any way make them ethical. It might be rational to lie to people to achieve a goal or establish a means of control over the masses for social order (hi2u religion), but it is not ethical.
That's really the best case I can make for why ethics are independent of culture or even cold rational thinking. That is not to say they are universal, as like all areas of human experience they evolve over time as we learn more about the world around us. But the basic core concepts of empathy and valuing life are pretty much as close to universal as you can get.
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It seems so in 2015 in America, anyway. This idea that life has some intrinsic value is a relatively new idea in human history.
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Teaching it to them as unquestionable truth is absolutely unethical, teaching it to them as a part of cultural studies and mythology type social studies is okay. Like we dont teach creationism in science classes, because its not science. But doing like a world history class covering topics such as the various myhological world views on origins is fine, provided they get a balanced view and we cover, you know, the Norse myths and how Pangu created the world while hatching from an egg and shit.
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Because they are too young, or because is it not demonstrable / valid / tested? Or what other reason do you have?
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The fact that they believe it to their core doesn't make it any less of a delusion. Them believing it doesn't change its truth value. Them believing it doesn't make prayer somehow more effective. It. Is. False. Teaching little kids things that are known to be false and secondarily teaching them that questioning it makes them a bad person is per se unethical, in my view.
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Because it is fucking child abuse. Every home schooled creationist child in this nation is being psychologically fucking abused.
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We don't teach creationism, because the US constitution forbids it, not because its unethical, the two are unrelated. Second are you sggesting that the solution to teaching something that is not demonstrable/valid/tested, like Christianity, is to teach even more things that are not demonstrable/valid/tested.
Also you are dancing like tanoomba.
Question hodj ..
Are Catechism classes unethical? Yes/ no /why?
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