Science Ethics and Racism in Drug Enforcement Thread
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So just because I read this whole thing and I'm not 100% clear on both positions.
Hodj, is your argument built on the premise that ethics are a universal truth that all actions are measured against.
Cad, is your argument that people make up Ethics to justify whatever they want to do, therefore claiming someone's ethics are wrong is a false notion because there is no absolute ethic to measure against? Its just perspective?
Hodj, is your argument built on the premise that ethics are a universal truth that all actions are measured against.
Cad, is your argument that people make up Ethics to justify whatever they want to do, therefore claiming someone's ethics are wrong is a false notion because there is no absolute ethic to measure against? Its just perspective?
Cad aside. I typically find myself agreeing with Hodj. But, if you are on the other side an argument from Lithose, god be with you.
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So finally I got around to watching the video Hodj linked on morals in animals. Pretty awesome. Some people believe strongly that only humans have ethics, morals, even a sense of fairness. This is pretty clearly bunk. Much like how people used to believe that only humans had emotions. Just kind of amazing that both of these opinions are so prevalent in a world where so many people have dogs, who clearly have highly emotional lives and very clearly show compassion and empathy.
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Hodj is saying "ethics/morals" are some type of universal fundamental force that everyone is bound to akin to gravity or electromagnetism. Cad and the rest of us are pointing its not and that nothing stops someone from acting "unethically".
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No, and I've never once used the word fundamental. I said the term definitional, and I said that its a result of pro social adaptations in our species. When I used the word universal, I meant universal as in universal in the field of the sciences, not universal as in "Laid out in the stars and the heavens." None of those mean what you, or anyone else, interpreted them to mean, and in fact I even PM'd Dandain with an explanation so as to avoid having to come back into this thread, but I'm not going to let you all just sit here and strawman me in your attempts to redefine what I've said.
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I feel like there is something almost cosmic about The Golden Rule and The Hippocratic Oath and other such ethical principles. So I sort of see that side. But actually, there is no magic. Ethics are just as malleable as the animals in which they reside.
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Morals and ethics are relative man, there no different than laws or constitutional freedoms. Why you think they magically transcend national/ideological/cultural boundaries is beyond every other person on this forum. Just because you happen to hold a certain set of beliefs and standards that does not mean someone in China or NK holds them as well.
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This. While not everyone is bad, a lot of people are kept in line not because any moral compass or sense of right and wrong but by the threat of force, whether it be legal, financial or physical.