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Yes because if I can't eat grass and pine cones, I'll just die. And every other human will also die.

Good point! I concede your correctness. What was I thinking.
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If you eat 99% of the plants on this planet, your digestive tract can't even process them for the proper nutrients. ALL of the foodstuffs you eat on a daily basis are the result of artificial selection over thousands of years. Almonds? Poisonous in the wild. Strawberries? Poisonous in the wild.

Your complete and total lack of education or understanding of human food production and biology is quite evident, yes, thank you for making it so clear how ignorant you are of these subjects for us all.
 
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If you eat 99% of the plants on this planet, your stomach can't even process them for the proper nutrients. ALL of the foodstuffs you eat on a daily basis are the result of artificial selection over thousands of years. Almonds? Poisonous in the wild. Strawberries? Poisonous in the wild.

Your complete and total lack of education or understanding of human food production and biology is quite evident, yes, thank you for making it so clear how ignorant you are of these subjects for us all.
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Hmm, if only there was some technology that helped to process food that we humans could make use of, to create edible things. I'm sure that something like that has been invented at some point. Oh well. I won't worry about it. I'll just go outside, eat pine cones, and die.

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Hmm, if only there was some technology that helped to process food that we humans could make use of, to create edible things. I'm sure that something like that has been invented at some point. Oh well. I won't worry about it. I'll just go outside, eat pine cones, and die.

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Good luck trying to turn leaves and tree bark into edible substances. I'll be waiting on your patent and your ascension to the world of billionaire inventors any day now.
 
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Good luck trying to turn leaves and tree bark into edible substances. I'll be waiting on your patent and your ascension to the world of billionaire inventors any day now.
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You're right. No farmer on the planet has any skill or technology designed to help plants survive that are edible. They're probably going to get killed first, right? The day they wake up and go WHAT THE FUCK DAVE, MY CORN WONT GROW. Fuck it, lets die, and lets scour the internet and all books for all agricultural knowledge accumulated for the last 10 thousand years. GOOD PLAN! Execute immediately.

*Wakes up. What the fuck guys, there's no food, and I can't eat pine cones. Lets all drink the kool aid, we're fucked.

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Perhaps global warming will make people forget everything too.
 
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You're right. No farmer on the planet has any skill or technology designed to help plants survive that are edible. They're probably going to get killed first, right? The day they wake up and go WHAT THE FUCK DAVE, MY CORN WONT GROW. Fuck it, lets die, and lets scour the internet and all books for all agricultural knowledge accumulated for the last 10 thousand years. GOOD PLAN! Execute immediately.

*Wakes up. What the fuck guys, there's no food, and I can't eat pine cones. Lets all drink the kool aid, we're fucked.

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Blah blah blah blah

You can't just magic non foodstuffs into food stuffs. You need to start with something that is marginally edible, and then you need time, proper mutations, and artificial selection. Arguing from your ignorance on these subjects is meaningless. Humans have already adapted the large majority of crops we could potentially consume into crops we can consume. There haven't been many new innovations in this arena in quite awhile.

Your pathetic ego has left you blathering like a retard.

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Perhaps global warming will make people forget everything too.
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Society collapsing, and the death of the internet, would, in fact, lead to a massive loss in information, particularly as specialists died off, with no way to perpetuate their knowledge accurately besides word of mouth.

Its called a Dark Age.
 
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Blah blah blah blah

You can't just magic non foodstuffs into food stuffs. You need to start with something that is marginally edible, and then you need time, proper mutations, and artificial selection. Arguing from your ignorance on these subjects is meaningless. Humans have already adapted the large majority of crops we could potentially consume into crops we can consume. There haven't been many new innovations in this arena in quite awhile.

Your pathetic ego has left you blathering like a retard.
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No, your inability to let something go has now backed you into a stupid corner. You're acting like our entire agricultural industry can't figure out how to sustain 50 or 100 thousand people somewhere on earth even in the event of climate catastrophe. Thats all it would take to weather an event for X years and avoid extinction. But you're talking out your ass and saying NO WE WOULD DEFINITELY GO COMPLETELY EXTINCT IF THE TEMP CHANGES MORE THAN 2 DEGREES.

Which is a completely asinine and stupid thing to say or think.
 
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No, your inability to let something go has now backed you into a stupid corner. You're acting like our entire agricultural industry can't figure out how to sustain 50 or 100 thousand people somewhere on earth even in the event of climate catastrophe. Thats all it would take to weather an event for X years and avoid extinction. But you're talking out your ass and saying NO WE WOULD DEFINITELY GO COMPLETELY EXTINCT IF THE TEMP CHANGES MORE THAN 2 DEGREES.

Which is a completely asinine and stupid thing to say or think.
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There wouldn't be an agricultural industry if 50 or 100 thousand people survived.

There wouldn't be INDUSTRY at all.

Do you comprehend that?

There wouldn't be enough PEOPLE to SUSTAIN industry IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The only stupid corner anyone is backed into is you, in your science denialism, magic wizard thinking horseshit.

Fuck off.

But you're talking out your ass and saying NO WE WOULD DEFINITELY GO COMPLETELY EXTINCT IF THE TEMP CHANGES MORE THAN 2 DEGREES.

Which is a completely asinine and stupid thing to say or think.
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Strawman again.

Dumb dumb dumb dumb.

Cite it or fuck off.
 
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There wouldn't be an agricultural industry if 50 or 100 thousand people survived.

There wouldn't be INDUSTRY at all.

Do you comprehend that?

There wouldn't be enough PEOPLE to SUSTAIN industry IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The only stupid corner anyone is backed into is you, in your science denialism, magic wizard thinking horseshit.

Fuck off.



Strawman again.

Dumb dumb dumb dumb.

Cite it or fuck off.
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The industry and tech already exists, shit for fucking brains. Those 50 or 100 thousand people would just have to be able to make use of the shit that has already been invented. And of course, over the 1000's of years that it took the climate to change so much that our population dwindled that much, new techniques and new technologies would have been invented.

But no. Hodj is always right and always gets the last word. "Cite it" . Fuck you. Either state your argument yourself as to what would kill us, or fuck off.
 
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The industry and tech already exists, shit for fucking brains. Those 50 or 100 thousand people would just have to be able to make use of the shit that has already been invented.
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Wouldn't be able to perpetuate the industry.

Its called Minimum Viable Population, Cad. Like I said. Just try reading a book, you know, just once.

"Cite it" . Fuck you
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Your admission you are just making strawmen up because you've lost this debate, primarily because you placed your flag on completely indefensible terrain to start with, is accepted.
 
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Wouldn't be able to perpetuate the industry.

Its called Minimum Viable Population, Cad. Like I said. Just try reading a book, you know, just once.
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Ok, whats the minimum viable population for post-apocalypse humans bent on survival with unknown climate conditions?
 
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hodj_sl said:
There wouldn't be an agricultural industry if 50 or 100 thousand people survived.

There wouldn't be INDUSTRY at all.

Do you comprehend that?

There wouldn't be enough PEOPLE to SUSTAIN industry IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The only stupid corner anyone is backed into is you, in your science denialism, magic wizard thinking horseshit.

Fuck off.



Strawman again.

Dumb dumb dumb dumb.

Cite it or fuck off.
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This is what qualifies as debate these days? Cad, I think you are getting trolled.
 
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Ok, whats the minimum viable population for post-apocalypse humans bent on survival with unknown climate conditions?
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Goal post and burden shifting. Your argument is that 50 to 100 thousand people would not just survive, but would maintain industry, including being able to put forward scientific advances which allowed them to modify non food stuffs into edible food stuffs, all to survive on marginal terrain in the northern most climates.

How's about you put upany evidence whatsoeverthat yourbaseless opinionis remotely viable in the first place?

You can't. That's why you've been throwing shit fits, demanding unreasonable standards like "Predict the exact cause of the demise of the last humans in such a situation or its not possible".

Before anyone can give you a minimum viable human population, you're going to need to define what you mean by survival. Even then, the fact of the genetic bottleneck and the vulnerability to disease would probably severely restrict the bottom limit on the number of humans required for survival. At minimum you're looking at a few million humans. If we use the collapse of Native American populations upon first contact as a baseless, they lost 9 out of every 10 individuals, and had 25 million to 100 million citizens, and BARELY survived the situation. Entire civilizations collapses, entire cities fell apart at the seams, and the few remaining were left wandering the wilds as hunter gatherers.

In the situation you have described, however, where we have magical technology and industry still thriving in the face of the extinction of most of the planet, I don't think its even possible. You've created such an unreasonable standard.

Then it would also rely on whether or not ocean populations and ecologically relevant keystone species would need to survive. We aren't hand pollinating enough food to support 100,000 people, for instance, anytime soon.

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This is what qualifies as debate these days? Cad, I think you are getting trolled.
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The guy literally has made the case that 50 to 100 thousand humans would magically pick up massive industrial complexes and shift them to Northern Nunavut, where they would proceed to modify grass and tree bark to survive a massive ecological collapse following a 5 to 10 degree global temperature increase, and you're claimingI'm trolling him

Literally retarded.
 
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including being able to put forward scientific advances which allowed them to modify non food stuffs into edible food stuffs, all to survive on marginal terrain in the northern most climates.
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Didn't say any of that

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How's about you put upany evidence whatsoeverthat yourbaseless opinionis remotely viable in the first place?
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Eskimo Traditional Way of Life - HowStuffWorks? They lived with no industry and no tech whatsoever. Surely a determined group of scientists with thousands of workers and time to set up could do better.

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You can't. That's why you've been throwing shit fits, demanding unreasonable standards like "Predict the exact cause of the demise of the last humans in such a situation or its not possible".
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Really I'm the one throwing shit fits? Lol. Go back and read the posts, fucking bipolar drama queen.

"exact" cause? No. General would be enough. I posit that we won't starve as long as edible animals walk the earth, because we can kill ANYTHING. We can breed animals that do survive on whatever plants exist. And we can kill and eat those. And we can use our tech to grow plants we can eat, in almost any climate. Can we sustain 7 billion like that? No. But are we going to go extinct? no. Thats my position.

You just want to wave your hands and go LOL CLIMATE CHANGE BAD WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE

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Before anyone can give you a minimum viable human population, you're going to need to define what you mean by survival.
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Survival means non-extinction.

hodj_sl said:
The guy literally has made the case that 50 to 100 thousand humans would magically pick up massive industrial complexes and shift them to Northern Nunavut, where they would proceed to modify grass and tree bark to survive a massive ecological collapse following a 5 to 10 degree global temperature increase, and you're claimingI'm trolling him

Literally retarded.
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No I didn't say any of that. Sorry.
 
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Hodj just might have a meltdown here. It's getting close.
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His inability to let anything go is astounding. Can you imagine this conversation in real life? I think he'd be foaming at the mouth inside of 2 minutes.
 
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