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I said my piece also. There is fraud out there when it comes to science and grants. The likeliness of something this big is low but that doesn't mean impossible. That simple. This is theoretical physics you could shit on a paper and "prove something" about it.

I know it and that failed NASA telescope are trigger buttons for hodj so he will defend it to the day he dies even when it doesn't bring a shred of useful data to the table.
 
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I don't want to agree with a_skeleton_03, but I've seen the underpinnings of this in college before. It starts really simply with preconceived notions and "oh shit wow, that data is way off what it should be, just erase the whole set and we'll start over" and ends up in the creatively design experiment to prove your point. Once you start adding software into the mix and you have software engineers who really don't understand the nuance of the science and scientists who really don't understand the nuance of computer science (like floating point math) you quickly can get to a point where science not observable by the naked eye is complicated to prove and the net result is a lot of laziness if it 'feels right'.

I don't think most of these things are done with malice or an intent to defraud for grant money (I'm sure some are knowingly but there's fraudsters in every area of life) but generally that's why we have to be dubious. Just look at the LENR bullshit or the em-drive for more practical examples of how ideas or bullshit can be confused and muddied by ill-understood physics and a mess of data to fuel facts (speculation).
 
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Hodj just doesn't want to admit that Priests touch little boys sometimes. Not all of them, and not all the time. But some of them and some of the time. I know those feels, bro. We have to search for perfect knowledge with imperfect tools. It's a real kick in the nuts.

THE LORD is an asshole.
 
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Its not an issue of wanting or not wanting to admit fraud can happen.

Its an issue of it never have happened on this scale in this sort of project , and no one can provide an example of it happening in a projct of this scale because the magnitude and the amount of people involved to pull it off reaches proportions too large, and that precludes an assumption of fraud without evidence for fraud, of which none exists.

Its like someone claiming 911 was a conspiracy by the government, the WTC was rigged to explode etc.

Too many people would have to be involved to pull it off. Thats my point and it would be nice if peoplcould recognize thats my point.

Two people can fabricate data, lie, dissemble, and pull it off for awhile.

300 across twelve nations going through 10 plus different review boards cannot.

All these other things about potential abuse youre thowing at the wall fail to address this reality.

Its similar to claiming the moon landing was faked. Th amount of people involved is too massive.
 
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hodj_sl said:
Its not an issue of wanting or not wanting to admit fraud can happen.

Its an issue of it never have happened on this scale in this sort of project , and no one can provide an example of it happening in a projct of this scale because the magnitude and the amount of people involved to pull it off reaches proportions too large.

Its like someone claiming 911 was a conspiracy by the government, the WTC was rigged to explode etc.
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You are missing the entire point. Fraud has happened before and we all know that, you won't deny that it has happened. Your only argument is that this project can't possibly be wrong because of its size, both monetarily and staff.

I am glad you brought 9/11 up. Nobody though something of that size could happen. It did though. Multiple hijackers per plane.

Bernie Madoff scammed $18B and had at least 30+ well trusted people helping him. Nobody thought it would ever happen.

Nobody ever thinks that things like this can/will happen especially if they are emotionally invested. Fraud happens in academia though and when it is so esoteric like neutrinos where if you prove it or not we have no idea it will be anything but a "well that's neat but now what" moment you are wide open for things like confirmation bias where you think you are proving your theory but in the back of your mind you realize that you didn't prove anything. So you all agree that the latest data shows "promise" and you all write a paper with some hand waving going on and you raise more money.
 
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No, Im not missing your point, your point is shit.

No one is wintering over in antarctica for a scam.

911 was not a conspiracy by the government to blow up the wtc and cover it up by hijacking planes and flying them into the building and people had warned against just such a potentiality before hand.

Bernie Madoff was fucking financial sector and half those people working with him were family members and he was lying to half of them as well. All youve got are unrelated nonsequitors.

Now either put up some evidence this projct is a fraud or fuck off.

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Fraud happens in academia though and when it is so esoteric like neutrinos where if you prove it or not we have no idea it will be anything but a "well that's neat but now what" moment you are wide open for things like confirmation bias where you think you are proving your theory but in the back of your mind you realize that you didn't prove anything. So you all agree that the latest data shows "promise" and you all write a paper with some hand waving going on and you raise more money.
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And then that paper has to pass review of twelve different international governing bodies of experts in your field and it fails to do so because of unaccunted for data errors that cause the bodies to ask tough questions you cant answer.

Thats what youre missing here. You dont get to just wave your paper around and watch dollars fall from the sky. You have to demonstrate your results are valid. The vert fact that NSF has provided and approved over 100 individual grants, as cited previousl, over two decades, demonstrates that this projct has been able to show its work is valid.
 
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You still don't seem to understand the difference in scale. 19 hijackers and 31+ people is far different than the hundreds of thousands involved in this project. The 400,000 Apollo employees and 20,000 industrial firms involved in the moon landing. It would be relatively easy to collect the small amount of people needed to carry out the attacks and to pull off the Madoff scheme.

Claiming fraud also completely disregards the evidence and theworkingtheory that's been developed. Neutrinos as part of the Standard Model actually helps us make predictions. This is the hallmark of a good theory. No, the SM is not complete. There's a lot of room for new information and adjusting the information we already have. But neutrinos fit very well, thank you.

Yes, it'spossiblethat there's some massive amount of fraud and that hundreds of thousands of people are wrong. How fucking likely is it, though?
 
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How/why would I put up evidence this project is a fraud? I never ever stated that once. Didn't even allude to it. You started in on Furry with your high horse that it isn't possible for this project to be wrong because of its size alone. I said that you can't make a blanket statement like that.

And you can't.

LOL that people won't winter over in Antarctica for a scam but will blow themselves up for what you feel is the biggest scam in history, religion.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
How/why would I put up evidence this project is a fraud?
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That's your burden to bear. I don't really care that you can't demonstrate your position is valid. You made the claim that this project could be fraud, therefore you bear the burden to demonstrate that claim is valid and true.

You started in on Furry with your high horse that it isn't possible for this project to be wrong because of its size alone. I said that you can't make a blanket statement like that.
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Bullshit. I wasn't even addressing Furry when I made the statement you responded to, I was responding to Szila. You literally cannot follow a conversation, and my argument has never been a blanket statement. A blanket statement would be "no fraud can ever occur in the sciences". Making a statement that a project of this scope and scale precludes fraud as an assumption is a specific statement, not a blanket one.

This post by you demonstrates your defensiveness and the fact that you know you're backed into a corner.

LOL that people won't winter over in Antarctica for a scam but will blow themselves up for what you feel is the biggest scam in history, religion.
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That's the thing about religion, which is that it is an irrational belief system utterly immune to logic and reason, as you demonstrate so clearly. Unlike science. No one is blowing themselves up intentionally for science. Marie Curie died from radiation poisoning because she didn't understand it. Not because she irrationally believed in the magical power of it.

This statement by you is a total non sequitor by the way. Rebuts nothing.

You're done here, a_skeleton_03.
 
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a_skeleton_03, it looks like you are beating Hodj this round in Asshat of the year. Save some shitposting for the next few rounds bro.

Remember, at some point you are going to face Tanoomba. Don't blow your load.
 
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I don't have a burden to bear to prove something I never said or asserted. I have proved that there has been fraud in the public and private sector in the field of physics. Burden complete. If there has ever been fraud there can be fraud again.

Oh my bad I got the name of the person you quoted wrong. The conversation over 12 hours ago that IIRC was Szlia defending Furry. My bad I got one aspect of it wrong you pedantic ass burger. At least I didn't argue for over a day talking around Celsius versus Fahrenheit.

No you are making a blanket statement. Your statement isn't that IceTop or IceCube or IceCream is safe from fraud because of this specific variable. Your statement is that projects of this size and oversight can't possibly be wrong. It's a generality and you know it. I am not backed into a corner because that would be impossible, I already proved my assertion and that is that fraud happens.

Your statement was a non sequitur that nobody would commit fraud in Antarctica and I gave it the proper respect it deserved, a LOL and then dismissing it.

Face it you are a rabid fanboy for this project and can't admit that it would be in the realm of possibility that it could fail.
 
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Shutup faggots. One of the most promising AIDS vaccines is entering human trials. They found some protein that doesn't mutate when the rest of it does.

An HIV vaccine has proved elusive for researchers in part because the virus attacks the body's immune system, which is needed to fight off viruses. Because no one has ever recovered from the disease ? though many now can live long lives with it ? scientists also have no human model of recovery to work from, according to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

Scientists have long been frustrated by the ability of the AIDS virus to mutate and evade the immune system. The virus constantly changes the makeup of the proteins on its surface, making it difficult for antibodies to attack it.

Many other vaccine candidates have protected only against a narrow range of strains, researchers have said.

The institute's HIV vaccine targets parts of the surface proteins that the virus tries to hide. These parts are common in all strains of HIV. The virus only exposes them when it attacks a healthy cell.

It is hoped the antibodies produced by the new vaccine will bind to these parts and prevent infection.
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University of Maryland researchers will test AIDS vaccine on humans - Baltimore Sun

There is a video, but it's hosted at their site.
 
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You do have a burden to bear, and you've failed to meet it, and you just admitted it.

Oh my bad I got the name of the person you quoted wrong.
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At least I didn't argue for over a day talking around Celsius versus Fahrenheit.
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Face it you are a rabid fanboy for this project
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I hadn't even HEARD OF THE PROJECT until I started looking into Furry's claims regarding Neutrinos 2 days ago. Cad was the one who was arguing based on Celsius vs Farenheit

You got squat here kiddo. The fact that you're falling this low to try and score a point here at the end of this is all the evidence we need that you're done. This entire post by you is the sort of post we expect from a petulant and narcissistic child.

Your statement is that projects of this size and oversight can't possibly be wrong.
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Incorrect. This is another one of your shitty strawmen. My argument is that the size and scope precludes an assumption of fraud without evidence.

Go out and have a nice weekend, a_skeleton_03.

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Shutup faggots. One of the most promising AIDS vaccines is entering human trials. They found some protein that doesn't mutate when the rest of it does.

University of Maryland researchers will test AIDS vaccine on humans - Baltimore Sun

There is a video, but it's hosted at their site.
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That's great and all, but how do you know its not a massive fraud perpetrated on the American public by evil scientists hell bent on profiting at the expense of the public dollar?

Oh you don't? Well well well!

/sarc

Good news, actually. Thanks Agraza.
 
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hodj_sl said:
You do have a burden to bear, and you've failed to meet it, and you just admitted it.







I hadn't even HEARD OF THE PROJECT until I started looking into Furry's claims regarding Neutrinos 2 days ago. Cad was the one who was arguing based on Celsius vs Farenheit

You got squat here kiddo. The fact that you're falling this low to try and score a point here at the end of this is all the evidence we need that you're done. This entire post by you is the sort of post we expect from a petulant and narcissistic child.



Incorrect. This is another one of your shitty strawmen. My argument is that the size and scope precludes an assumption of fraud without evidence.

Go out and have a nice weekend, a_skeleton_03.



That's great and all, but how do you know its not a massive fraud perpetrated on the American public by evil scientists hell bent on profiting at the expense of the public dollar?

Oh you don't? Well well well!

/sarc

Good news, actually. Thanks Agraza.
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Researcher Charged in HIV Vaccine Fraud Case - NBC News

It has happened before actually, quite recently, and with public funds.
 
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That's nice. Its already been stated that one or two people can get away with fraud much easier than large projects can, for a reason.

We're all done with you and this topic now. You can go shitpost up the shooting thread or something instead. Thanks.
 
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I declare Hodj the winner due to a_skeleton_03 not even attempting to find fraud at this scale. He could've at least tried to dig up some climate nonsense.

Let's move on to Parkinson's Spoons. Is this risk of shaky obese people too high to allow this technology to proliferate?
 
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YOU ONLY VOTED HODJ BECAUSE YOU SAW ME VOTE SUINEG!


Those spoons look awesome, honestly. I might have to snag one for my mom for Christmas this year (she has MS not Parkinsons but it'd serve the same purpose).
 
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