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So about that no such thing as voter fraud?
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I am sure this whole stupid thing will result in attempts to disenfranchise minorities, but would be nice if they just created a inter-state database to check for this type of fraud on an official level and prosecute the people who commit it, seems easy enough to do with the data they already have.
Royal
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Having a family member who is involved locally in NC elections, I know for a fact that a lot of the double dipping that goes on is around local referendums by property owners who live out of state who think that because their property taxes would be going up or that their land is being affected in some way that they have the right to participate in the referendum, in spite of not meeting the state residency requirement. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of that went both ways (actual NC residents voting in other states for the same reason).
I'd be curious to see how many of those double votes were taking place in states that do not have a durational residency requirement for voting.
Vaclav
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Honestly the easiest thing to do would be to make secure voting terminals with some sort of secure voting identification card and have all elections done electronically through a centralized Federal thing. Put these new universal voting machines in public libraries or something, make the voting times and everything universal nationally and since they're universal link into whatever voter area you are currently assigned to by the ID card.
And add something like fingerprint recognition or something to the voter ID card to "idiot proof" the card and create a version that is portable so that people that require an absentee ballot can have the election come to them instead of vice versa.
You could even use the same system if it's active all the time to have local referendums at times that aren't major elections as well.
We've had the internet for how many years now? We apparently use it to ferry all sorts of top secret nonsense regularly, we already use computer based machines for voting... seems like one more small step that could really just take 99.99% of the fraud worries out of the system handled appropriately while making voting more accessible to all. There really is no good excuse we've not been moving that way.
Call me old fashioned but I'd rather the old school paper system with its checks and balances and very limited fraud potential than moving to a universal internet based system.
Hoss
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Don't know about other states, but Licenses and IDs around here all have your address too.
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I got a voter registration notice before I became a citizen here. I also got a jury summons before I became a citizen. I don't think it would be all that hard for illegals to vote here.
Related topic?
Related topic?
Vaclav
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Address doesn't have to match on a BoE ID check. If the BoE feels the need to verify an ID a utility bill or equivalent is fine for proof.
(Its rather sensible these days since most states have drivers license repricocity so most people keep their old DL for up to 5 years after a move)
(Its rather sensible these days since most states have drivers license repricocity so most people keep their old DL for up to 5 years after a move)
Quineloe
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Funny how you think literacy is the ability to speak English.
And he speaks better English than most Mexicans who lived there ten times longer than he did at that point (5 years)
but hey, without checking Wikipedia, what do you think his education level is?
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I certainly don't think that being literate is the ability to speak English. English is my third language. I don't find him particularly good at communicating, and I don't recall him making a lot of literary references while in office and making many public speeches. I recall his speeches being ...
Never mind. If you think I equate literacy with being able to speak English, there's no arguing with you. Well done. You uh, won?
Never mind. If you think I equate literacy with being able to speak English, there's no arguing with you. Well done. You uh, won?
iannis
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LANGUAGE IS ALL WE HAVE
seriously, a common language is one of the few things that holds this rickety ass republic together. This nation easily could have as many languages as Europe. All the European langauges are represented here as well as languages that are not greatly represented in Europe. There has to be a public language. And there does have to beonepublic language. Not that I'm against multi-language printings of official things like they do. Street signs, public discussion. I don't have anything wrong with that as long as two things are true about it: It serves to foster inclusion and integration, and the language it is being translated FROM is English.
That said, mostly it's fun to pick on Arnie's accent because it's so damn thick and... to american ears it's honestly funny. It's ESPECIALLY funny to hear that accent coming out of a man that looks like THAT. His speech has always been at the edge of comprehensible, but he's always been comprehensible. Which is the important thing. The rest is just, "That furerner talks funny, maw".
seriously, a common language is one of the few things that holds this rickety ass republic together. This nation easily could have as many languages as Europe. All the European langauges are represented here as well as languages that are not greatly represented in Europe. There has to be a public language. And there does have to beonepublic language. Not that I'm against multi-language printings of official things like they do. Street signs, public discussion. I don't have anything wrong with that as long as two things are true about it: It serves to foster inclusion and integration, and the language it is being translated FROM is English.
That said, mostly it's fun to pick on Arnie's accent because it's so damn thick and... to american ears it's honestly funny. It's ESPECIALLY funny to hear that accent coming out of a man that looks like THAT. His speech has always been at the edge of comprehensible, but he's always been comprehensible. Which is the important thing. The rest is just, "That furerner talks funny, maw".
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Wow, entirely wrong.
It's remarkable how much the rest of the world makes fun of how Americans celebrate being monolingual. But whatever.
iannis
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Really?
You honestly don't think it would be practically much more difficult if this nation didn't adhere to a single unofficial official language? If any time I called across state lines I needed to interpret? If there were regional variances from town to town? If I had to translate documents? You don't think that would create unforseen tensions, divisions even more sharply defined than those we see WITH a common language?
Language is thought, guys. There is obviously such a thing as taking it too far but there is also such a thing as not taking it far enough. You have to have a standard of communication for a complex system to function. For people, that's called language.
What the fuck do I care what people speak privately? And I'm not talking about in the security of their own castle-home. I mean if I pass two guys as I'm walking down the street and they're chatting away in non-english I give 0 fucks. That is a private conversation. But if a Congressman introduces a bill and it's written in Chinese, he can go right ahead and fuck himself.
You honestly don't think it would be practically much more difficult if this nation didn't adhere to a single unofficial official language? If any time I called across state lines I needed to interpret? If there were regional variances from town to town? If I had to translate documents? You don't think that would create unforseen tensions, divisions even more sharply defined than those we see WITH a common language?
Language is thought, guys. There is obviously such a thing as taking it too far but there is also such a thing as not taking it far enough. You have to have a standard of communication for a complex system to function. For people, that's called language.
What the fuck do I care what people speak privately? And I'm not talking about in the security of their own castle-home. I mean if I pass two guys as I'm walking down the street and they're chatting away in non-english I give 0 fucks. That is a private conversation. But if a Congressman introduces a bill and it's written in Chinese, he can go right ahead and fuck himself.
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I'm not suggesting that the nation start introducing bills in multiple languages, and you know that. Most nations adhere to a single language in parliament policy, whether formalised or implied.
The obsession with "one nation, one language" is what I'm talking about. But we're way off topic, and I'll stop now.
The obsession with "one nation, one language" is what I'm talking about. But we're way off topic, and I'll stop now.
iannis
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Oh, I don't mean it in such a strict interpretation as maybe it could seem. I'm very well aware that the idea of "one nation, one language" can inhibit as easily as it promotes. I understand it comes off sort of rednecky. I don't have a problem with mexicans coming here and only ever learning broken english, as long as their children learn fluency. I don't have a problem with putting up street signs in two languages, or basic utilitarian instructions with multiple translations, so that people don't get fucking lost or just stand around confused for no reason. As long as english is the primary. And I'll admit to blatant self-interest and provincialism on the topic. Fuck it, Hillbillies got rights too.
And this topic is dead without further input anyway. We might as well talk about language.
And this topic is dead without further input anyway. We might as well talk about language.
Quineloe
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If your "proof" of your statement is a 1 minute clip from a 40 year old show, you're gonna get cheap shots in response.
And I guess the never mind passive aggressiveness came from after you checked his wikipedia, realizing he is actually not as stupid as you thought.