Star Wars : Rogue One

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Saw it again due to family over the holidays wanting to go who hadn't seen it yet. I actually liked it better the second time, I get what they were going for with the tone and everything but many of the complaints are still valid. I thought they did a decent enough job making the empire seem ruthless and inhuman via Tarkin/Krennic. The DS blasts to planet surface were really well done as far as effects. I'm more ok with the move than I was before but I still think it dragged too much early on and they failed to make it very fun thoughout most of it. Not just from the more gritty approach but generally lacking some entertainment value in general.
 
Caliane

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I think the "not memorable" and "not likable" complaints are largely off. RLM is way off imho. With Jyn as the exception.
I think the biggest misstep there is... she doesn't do anything.
What is her crowning moment? climbing a tower? Flipping a switch? giving the speech at the Rebel alliance, which doesn't work. And then Cassian gives her a MUCH better speech, with "welcome home", and "btw, fuck them, we are going".
Jyn never has that moment where its do or die and she wins. Cassian shoots Krennic.
She climaxes upon meeting her father. Her place in the final arc is kindof sidekick..

There are several things that could have/should have... 1. the tie fighter in the trailers. what was supposed to happen there? A real climax? 2. Mirror the movies opening. remember when Krennic told the trooper to kill Jyn's mom, and took the blaster shot himself? That should have happened again. this time with either Jyn in her moms place, or fathers place. or, Jyn is the one taking Krennic's place, and tells Cassian to shoot, while Jyn takes the blaster shot. 3. Instead of nameless Rebels... Vader kills Jyn passing off the plans in person.
 
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Caliane said:
the tie fighter in the trailers. what was supposed to happen there?
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Nothing.

As originally shot, the TIE fighter rises as Jyn is walking towards the end of the catwalk, then an x-wing sweeps in and shoots it down before it does anything. It was edited out because they felt is was too repetitive with the x-wing kill on the AT-ACT moments earlier.
 
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We were sorta wondering how much better the movie would be if you literally did nothing but re-score it properly. Then I had another thought. Take the OT and have it re-scored by the hacks who scored Rogue One, realize that the OT is now terrible, and then maybe people will understand how fucking important the music is to Star Wars.
 
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We were sorta wondering how much better the movie would be if you literally did nothing but re-score it properly. Then I had another thought. Take the OT and have it re-scored by the hacks who scored Rogue One, realize that the OT is now terrible, and then maybe people will understand how fucking important the music is to Star Wars.
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Their canon policy makes director's cuts pretty much an impossibility. But give Giacchino more time to go over the movie and release it as a re-scored edition? Yeah I'd be interested in that.

Or give Displat a chance finish his score of it as well it and release it as a 2 volume collector's set. Disney won't put two composers in a head-to-head like that though.

But in fairness to Giacchino, he's no hack (Just look over his credits. He's the favorite of Pixar and has done a lot of their successful movies). He could certainly have used more time. He's a fan of the franchise and points to John Williams as one of his inspirations (as a lot of contemporary composers do). More of Williams' Star Wars work in present in his score of R1 than you might realize. They break the score down on the recent Star Wars H20 posdcast: https://secure-hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/a...82810172&hwt=f5f24443c90f11606ce3bedd12b40670
 
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Twilight Sparkle said:
We were sorta wondering how much better the movie would be if you literally did nothing but re-score it properly. Then I had another thought. Take the OT and have it re-scored by the hacks who scored Rogue One, realize that the OT is now terrible, and then maybe people will understand how fucking important the music is to Star Wars.
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It's critical and I really question anyone's understanding of the universe to think they could do better than perfection. Sure, don't overdo it, but you absolutely need to know there is a time and place for...



From what it reads like they replaced the score within 4 weeks because they didn't like what they had and this was the best they could do. You can do variations on a theme, but not like this. Not like this.



Just generic trash.
 
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Daezuel said:
From what it reads like they replaced the score within 4 weeks because they didn't like what they had and this was the best they could do.
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Not quite.

The re-shoots ended up being a big deal, in spite of Lucasfilms's spin otherwise. They were longer than they had originally budgeted for, time wise. They pushed out the final edit of the film, which is necessary for the composer to marry their score to regardless of how much of the it they have done prior to that point. Alexandre Desplat wasn't able to rework his schedule to the adjusted timetable to allow him to complete the score. At that point they brought in Michael Giacchino to do the whole thing from scratch.
 
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Daezuel

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Two goes at it nothing even comes close to comparing to the original. I wonder what they really thought was wrong with so many reshoots.
 
Miguex

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End result of the reshoots was worth it. Considering that the rumored ending in the initial shoot (squad running along the beach with At-ACTs firing, Krennic in the water etc) was Vader wiping the entire team out at once, I'll take a hastened score and each member of the team going out with a completed character arc and like a boss everyday.
 
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Daezuel said:
Two goes at it nothing even comes close to comparing to the original.
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We're not likely to see another John Williams, in terms of a motion picture composer, in our lifetimes. He's up in the rarefied air. I think his loss will end up being one of the real challenges of the franchise for Lucasfilm going forward. His music really is a supporting character in the films all on it's own and his score, along with the (at the time) groundbreaking special effects, is a major part of the formula for the success of the original trilogy. Getting him to write the original score might have been the smartest decision George Lucas ever made.

In the end, it may come down to bringing in a composer that is less interested in creating a Williams inspired score and is more willing to simply adapt Williams' music and sound to each of the movies. The way Kevin Kiner did with the two animated series. Say what you will about the them, they sound like Star Wars through and through.
 
Daezuel

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I mean exactly, the animated series are exactly why this movie is a disappointment to me in more ways than that one.
 
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Miguex said:
End result of the reshoots was worth it. Considering that the rumored ending in the initial shoot (squad running along the beach with At-ACTs firing, Krennic in the water etc) was Vader wiping the entire team out at once, I'll take a hastened score and each member of the team going out with a completed character arc and like a boss everyday.
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hmm i would love to see that other version, sounds less cheesy than the ending we got. I would have loved a Lord of the Rings style sacrifice fight as the various guys die to Vader, buying time for Jyn to send the transmission. Heck, could even keep the cheese with Vader force choking a guy asking where the plans were.



Also I was thinking, is the dude in this video who "built the deathstar" (the guy vader force chokes) in R1? He seems kinda proud of building the thing...

 
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Daezuel said:
It's critical and I really question anyone's understanding of the universe to think they could do better than perfection. Sure, don't overdo it, but you absolutely need to know there is a time and place for...



From what it reads like they replaced the score within 4 weeks because they didn't like what they had and this was the best they could do. You can do variations on a theme, but not like this. Not like this.



Just generic trash.
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The theme they played as they show the Rogue One title screen was one of the flattest moments of the movie
 
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In terms of plot changing elements from the reshoots. I need to watch the whole battle on Jedha again more carefully because it seemed to me that they weren't just taking the Kyber crystals from the armored transport, but were actually replacing them with counterfeit crystals. Was there a whole sub-plot involving the superlaser being sabotaged with bad crystals that got cut?
 
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spronk said:
Also I was thinking, is the dude in this video who "built the deathstar" (the guy vader force chokes) in R1? He seems kinda proud of building the thing...
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That was Admiral Motti. He was Chief of the Imperial Navy and didn't play direct a role in the Death Star's construction. His overflowing confidence in it was his way of sucking up to Tarkin and expressing a sentiment that had been cultivated within the Empire; the disdain of mysticism and the triumph of science and reason over it. By unlocking the secrets of kyber crystals to create station's main weapon, that is what the Death Star represented.
 
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Qhue said:
In terms of plot changing elements from the reshoots. I need to watch the whole battle on Jedha again more carefully because it seemed to me that they weren't just taking the Kyber crystals from the armored transport, but were actually replacing them with counterfeit crystals. Was there a whole sub-plot involving the superlaser being sabotaged with bad crystals that got cut?
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They weren't replacing them with fakes, they were just replacing them after firing the canon, showing that the crystals can get "spent", and that's why the empire is basically harvesting planets dry of them.
 
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RIP Galaxy's greatest princess of all time

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