Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)
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Blakkheim
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Here's Ten Things About The Force Awakens You Can Learn From The Novelization
http://www.theforce.net/story/front/...ion_167318.asp
1) Supreme Leader Snoke and Kylo Ren know Darth Vader's secret
2) There's someone important on that Republic Senate balcony
3) Thank C-3PO for the Resistance's timely arrival at Maz Kanata's castle
4) Leia kept a big-and ultimately vital-secret from Han
5) Kylo doesn't feel so great after killing Han
6) The Resistance is tiny
7) Rey doesn't just beat Kylo-she also beats the dark side
8) Kylo recognizes Rey
9) Rey and Poe do meet-awkwardly
10) BB-8's map triggers R2-D2's awakening
http://www.theforce.net/story/front/...ion_167318.asp
1) Supreme Leader Snoke and Kylo Ren know Darth Vader's secret
2) There's someone important on that Republic Senate balcony
3) Thank C-3PO for the Resistance's timely arrival at Maz Kanata's castle
4) Leia kept a big-and ultimately vital-secret from Han
5) Kylo doesn't feel so great after killing Han
6) The Resistance is tiny
7) Rey doesn't just beat Kylo-she also beats the dark side
8) Kylo recognizes Rey
9) Rey and Poe do meet-awkwardly
10) BB-8's map triggers R2-D2's awakening
Jive Turkey
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There are a whole bunch of complaints you make that could be applied to the OT. A little consistency would be great from you clowns
Isn't that pretty common knowledge tho, Anakin turned and became Vader. Maybe there was some revisionist History written 25 years later, but I doubt it.
Jive Turkey
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I noticed at least one. Although it was a horizontal or diagonal wipe, not circular. I think the Falcon might've even been framed up during it
Caal
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The secret being that Vader redeemed himself. As much as you can redeem yourself after butchering god knows how many people.
Are you sure that is what they are talking about tho? That doesn't work in any of their favors.
Knowing that Vader is Luke's father would be far more lucrative intel.
But thinking about it now I guess you are right. Snoke does say Vader failed because he was 100% darksided...
khorum
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I didnt read the article, but the novel definitely has Snoke and Ren talking about Vader's weakness being the turning point that caused the fall of the Empire.
There's a lot more than those ten actually.
I mentioned earlier that since the parts of the book that WERE in the movie were like 1-to-1 identically lifted from the screenplay, you're left to think that the parts that were left out must've been cut from the film that the Author saw.... and I'd say that's like 40+ mins of extra footage tbh. Maybe more.
They have whole cast members who only get like 2 scenes in the movie that are around quite a bit. The Blarina that Warwick Davis plays (midget who played Willow) interacts with Poe Dameron and helps him escape Jakku. I didn't think they'd filmed that but then the actress who plays Korr Sella turns out to be in the movie in full costume just to die on Hosnian so yeah they prolly filmed all the Poe shit and just cut it out too.
There's a lot more than those ten actually.
I mentioned earlier that since the parts of the book that WERE in the movie were like 1-to-1 identically lifted from the screenplay, you're left to think that the parts that were left out must've been cut from the film that the Author saw.... and I'd say that's like 40+ mins of extra footage tbh. Maybe more.
They have whole cast members who only get like 2 scenes in the movie that are around quite a bit. The Blarina that Warwick Davis plays (midget who played Willow) interacts with Poe Dameron and helps him escape Jakku. I didn't think they'd filmed that but then the actress who plays Korr Sella turns out to be in the movie in full costume just to die on Hosnian so yeah they prolly filmed all the Poe shit and just cut it out too.
Xevy
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I still want a Jedi or Force user that uses dark side shit but isn't evil, a la KOTOR. Would be great to see some sort of shock trooper type dude just walk into an army and wreck everyone a million different ways. Maybe Luke will go-off before eventually dying in Episode 9.
I want a faction that realizes force users need to be eradicated, and hunts them all down for generations to keep them out of the Universe.
Fuck that Balance shit. Let the Balance be 0
Nester
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I don't think so Column,
The secret is Vader turned against the empire at the end, he turned light at the last moment and killed the Emp over his son.
"Such a foolish error of judgment. A momentary lapse in an otherwise exemplary life. Had Lord Vader not succumbed to emotion at the crucial moment-had the father killed the son-the Empire would have prevailed. And there would be no threat of Skywalker's return today.""
The secret is Vader turned against the empire at the end, he turned light at the last moment and killed the Emp over his son.
"Such a foolish error of judgment. A momentary lapse in an otherwise exemplary life. Had Lord Vader not succumbed to emotion at the crucial moment-had the father killed the son-the Empire would have prevailed. And there would be no threat of Skywalker's return today.""
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wut.
the secret thing is that vader turned to the light in his final moments and killed the emperor.
Vader is basically a martyr to these people, dark lord of the sith that all these grunts inspire to be. The Ultimate bad, the one to emulate, perfect in his evilness.
That's why emo vader is all crying about worrying about falling to the lightside, it's why he teenage angst smashes shit all the time to convince himself he's bad and it's why he kills Han.
btw I haven't read any of the extra shit from the novelization or from websites trying to explain shit. If it's important to be in the movie thatshit should be in the fucking movie. I don't judge a film based on extraneous background info that they forgot to include. With all that being said, half the shit on that list you learn from just watching the movie. "new" information in bold:
1) Supreme Leader Snoke and Kylo Ren know Darth Vader's secret: no shit, this was in the movie.
2) There's someone important on that Republic Senate balconyThere was a republic senate balcony? and wait, if the Republic Senate matters at all, then aren't all of them important? Oh that split second of screen time for that hot black chick before her planet was vaporized in the weakest plot reveal of an ultimate weapon ever? Here's our big bad gun, we'll destroy shit, annnnnnd now you've blown it up. Is it too much to ask that the ultimate weapon exist for more than 10 minutes of screen time? Never even had a chance to build up any tension with that thing. From the time it was revealed to the time it was destroyed nobody else in the galaxy even had a chance to read an email about it existing. But yeah, there was a republic in this film? probably scenes from the original script from the ESB writer, before Abrams got a hold of it.
3) Thank C-3PO for the Resistance's timely arrival at Maz Kanata's castleNope didn't show this in the film. What was shown was 2 rando's, one calling the first order and the other calling the resistance. Do we give a shit that C-3PO was part of the information chain? ohhh he handed the note off to leia? really digging for that fan service here, I guess.
4) Leia kept a big?and ultimately vital?secret from HanSince I don't remember leia doing anything other than staring blankly with too much botox face I guess this is new info, what was this secret?
5) Kylo doesn't feel so great after killing Han: no shit this was in the film. he only killed him to prove to himself how emo he was.
6) The Resistance is tiny: This was shown in the film.
7) Rey doesn't just beat Kylo?she also beats the dark sidethere's another major plothole if you assume this was supposed to be important to the movie.
8) Kylo recognizes Rey: no shit, this was in the movie
9) Rey and Poe do meet?awkwardly: Who the fuck is poe again? Ace Pilot? that 1 dimensional cutout that probably had a bigger role in the film before JJ abrams rewrote the entire thing as ANH v2? He isn't a real person he's a byline/character description, maybe he'll get to become a real character in the spin off films.
10) BB-8's map triggers R2-D2's awakening: Yeah, you know this because it happens in the movie
the secret thing is that vader turned to the light in his final moments and killed the emperor.
Vader is basically a martyr to these people, dark lord of the sith that all these grunts inspire to be. The Ultimate bad, the one to emulate, perfect in his evilness.
That's why emo vader is all crying about worrying about falling to the lightside, it's why he teenage angst smashes shit all the time to convince himself he's bad and it's why he kills Han.
btw I haven't read any of the extra shit from the novelization or from websites trying to explain shit. If it's important to be in the movie thatshit should be in the fucking movie. I don't judge a film based on extraneous background info that they forgot to include. With all that being said, half the shit on that list you learn from just watching the movie. "new" information in bold:
1) Supreme Leader Snoke and Kylo Ren know Darth Vader's secret: no shit, this was in the movie.
2) There's someone important on that Republic Senate balconyThere was a republic senate balcony? and wait, if the Republic Senate matters at all, then aren't all of them important? Oh that split second of screen time for that hot black chick before her planet was vaporized in the weakest plot reveal of an ultimate weapon ever? Here's our big bad gun, we'll destroy shit, annnnnnd now you've blown it up. Is it too much to ask that the ultimate weapon exist for more than 10 minutes of screen time? Never even had a chance to build up any tension with that thing. From the time it was revealed to the time it was destroyed nobody else in the galaxy even had a chance to read an email about it existing. But yeah, there was a republic in this film? probably scenes from the original script from the ESB writer, before Abrams got a hold of it.
3) Thank C-3PO for the Resistance's timely arrival at Maz Kanata's castleNope didn't show this in the film. What was shown was 2 rando's, one calling the first order and the other calling the resistance. Do we give a shit that C-3PO was part of the information chain? ohhh he handed the note off to leia? really digging for that fan service here, I guess.
4) Leia kept a big?and ultimately vital?secret from HanSince I don't remember leia doing anything other than staring blankly with too much botox face I guess this is new info, what was this secret?
5) Kylo doesn't feel so great after killing Han: no shit this was in the film. he only killed him to prove to himself how emo he was.
6) The Resistance is tiny: This was shown in the film.
7) Rey doesn't just beat Kylo?she also beats the dark sidethere's another major plothole if you assume this was supposed to be important to the movie.
8) Kylo recognizes Rey: no shit, this was in the movie
9) Rey and Poe do meet?awkwardly: Who the fuck is poe again? Ace Pilot? that 1 dimensional cutout that probably had a bigger role in the film before JJ abrams rewrote the entire thing as ANH v2? He isn't a real person he's a byline/character description, maybe he'll get to become a real character in the spin off films.
10) BB-8's map triggers R2-D2's awakening: Yeah, you know this because it happens in the movie
Intrinsic
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Just got back from a second viewing, wanted to see it with my mom over the holidays because she introduced us to it as kids. Also got a chance to see it in 70mm IMAX which was pretty awesome. The only scene I noticed that utilizes the full IMAX aspect ratio was the escape from Jakku in the Falcon. I'd say both the 3d digital IMAX and 70mm were equally cool.
Only thing that stood out a little more in the second viewing, that others have commented on, was just some pacing things. Knowing what to expect it was easier to focus on the transition from scene to scene, things just felt off. The Han & Chewie thing with the freighter and then the monster chase really sticks out. The while thing just feels out of place and not like it fits.
A couple of other things were smaller, like some of the jumps between what was going on in location A and bouncing back to location B. There was one particular spot where they were trying to play together with the Rey vs. Kylo thing, but like the cut wasn't in the right place. Like it just wasn't edited quite right.
Kylo also takes his helmet off much later than I originally remembered. For some reason it felt like he did it 1/3 in and removed it many more times. But really it was very late only when he interrogated Rey. Not really here nor there, just funny I completely remembered it wrong. Maybe for me it just shows how that undid a lot of the stuff before.
Han definitely says that a 'boy' turned and undid the stuff Luke was training them. When they were attacking Starkiller Base one of the X-Wing pilots says Pope's name as they're going in. So we know it is him before Finn sees him do the Godlike streak on TIE fighters.
Anyways, I haven't been reading every post for the last week, so not particularly trying to add anything specific, just a few thoughts coming out. Don't really care how it compares to ANH, ESB, Star Trek, Citizen Kane, or the Abyss. Movie was fun and glad things are moving forward.
Only thing that stood out a little more in the second viewing, that others have commented on, was just some pacing things. Knowing what to expect it was easier to focus on the transition from scene to scene, things just felt off. The Han & Chewie thing with the freighter and then the monster chase really sticks out. The while thing just feels out of place and not like it fits.
A couple of other things were smaller, like some of the jumps between what was going on in location A and bouncing back to location B. There was one particular spot where they were trying to play together with the Rey vs. Kylo thing, but like the cut wasn't in the right place. Like it just wasn't edited quite right.
Kylo also takes his helmet off much later than I originally remembered. For some reason it felt like he did it 1/3 in and removed it many more times. But really it was very late only when he interrogated Rey. Not really here nor there, just funny I completely remembered it wrong. Maybe for me it just shows how that undid a lot of the stuff before.
Han definitely says that a 'boy' turned and undid the stuff Luke was training them. When they were attacking Starkiller Base one of the X-Wing pilots says Pope's name as they're going in. So we know it is him before Finn sees him do the Godlike streak on TIE fighters.
Anyways, I haven't been reading every post for the last week, so not particularly trying to add anything specific, just a few thoughts coming out. Don't really care how it compares to ANH, ESB, Star Trek, Citizen Kane, or the Abyss. Movie was fun and glad things are moving forward.
Faith
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True, but I didnt mean just directing. This was written by Abrams according to the end credits and it blew all of the latest 3 movies by Lucas away. It was handcrafted StarWars, not CGI StarWars. I think Lucas made the right choise selling the rights to this considering his inability to even cast the prequels in a good way.
This movie was a perfect tribute to the generations that saw the original triology at the cinema, but I can see how younglings in the ages of 5-25 would think it sucked. Fortunatly it was made for the original fans that will continue to shell out money for handcrafted StarWars vs CGI StarWars where Jar-Jar scored high with the focus groups
khorum
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Her theme is prolly my least favorite in the whole soundtrack. It's better when they mix it into the stronger stuff but by itself it just kinda sounds like a gay little fairy background music in a JRPG.
Jive Turkey
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The camera is focused right on his face sitting in the x-wing at the start of that raid. There was never any doubt it was Poe
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someone else said earlier in the thread that there were no "silly transitions" but there definitely were