Kreugen
Vyemm Raider
- 6,599
- 793
So they left a shitload of stuff open for sequels/flashbacks/EU to keep people busy making wildly inaccurate guesses for a couple of years. The only way they can call this a self-contained movie is if you just skip to the action scenes. Which is fine. Hell, maybe it actually works better for people without the backstory of six movies and mountains of discarded EU filling their heads. (JJ said Kasdan was constantly urging him to keep it vague)
I'm about 100 pages behind here but here are some nutter theories for fun:
1) The whole betrayal thing was staged to get someone close to Snoke. It can either be going completely off the rails or, even crazier, exactly as forseen. Rey was kept away as a backup. It rhymes, see.
Evidence of this is Kylo's issues keeping the dark side up. Demigod one minute, limp dick the next. He's faking it, or at least he started out that way. As implied I doubt he's ever met Snoke in person, because Snoke isn't dumb and wanted proof of his commitment. But now he's likely gone past the point of no return.
Of course, Luke would have to have known that Snoke is someone REALLY important for all this trouble to make any sense at all.
This entire plot was done in the (initially canon) Dark Horse comic sequel to ROTJ.
2) Rey was actually remembering training she hasn't had yet. INCEPTION. Hearing Ben and Yoda is a pretty big tip off that she was getting a LOT of help.
It also helped that she was fighting someone who wasn't fully committed to the dark side, who just had himself a good cry before stabbing his dad and then having his guts shot out. And Kylo also apparently has body image issues because he turns into a pussy when he removes his helmet and reveals his glorious unmatted hair.
Hell, if Rey is a Mary Sue, what does that make Luke? Vader at that point had a dueling record of like, 25,000-2. Luke had fought a wampa and a flying ball. Vader wasn't trying to kill him, but he still had to beat Luke to a pulp and hack his hand off to end it.
3) Death Star 3.0 may have been a bit eyeroll but it was needed for the story because with one shot it removed a repeat of the prequel problem of incomprehensible battles between massive armadas spanning thousands of planets and brought the scale back down to something resembling the scope of originals. With the Republic essentially gone now the movies can stay scaled WAY back from the kind of stuff in the Clone Wars cartoons.
I mean, those fucking sweetass X-Wing dogfights in 7 vs that mess of shit in the opening of 3.. lol?
By keeping the scale smaller and the sides more even, Stormtroopers can be far less retarded. Tie Fighters can be capable fighting machines instead of throwaway pieces of shit that lose 100-1. You can actually follow what the fuck is going on.
Hopefully that one shot knocked them back into the stone age to keep the movies from escalating to clone wars levels of absurdity. The sides are even again, and much smaller.
Okay I'll stop.
I'm about 100 pages behind here but here are some nutter theories for fun:
1) The whole betrayal thing was staged to get someone close to Snoke. It can either be going completely off the rails or, even crazier, exactly as forseen. Rey was kept away as a backup. It rhymes, see.
Evidence of this is Kylo's issues keeping the dark side up. Demigod one minute, limp dick the next. He's faking it, or at least he started out that way. As implied I doubt he's ever met Snoke in person, because Snoke isn't dumb and wanted proof of his commitment. But now he's likely gone past the point of no return.
Of course, Luke would have to have known that Snoke is someone REALLY important for all this trouble to make any sense at all.
This entire plot was done in the (initially canon) Dark Horse comic sequel to ROTJ.
2) Rey was actually remembering training she hasn't had yet. INCEPTION. Hearing Ben and Yoda is a pretty big tip off that she was getting a LOT of help.
It also helped that she was fighting someone who wasn't fully committed to the dark side, who just had himself a good cry before stabbing his dad and then having his guts shot out. And Kylo also apparently has body image issues because he turns into a pussy when he removes his helmet and reveals his glorious unmatted hair.
Hell, if Rey is a Mary Sue, what does that make Luke? Vader at that point had a dueling record of like, 25,000-2. Luke had fought a wampa and a flying ball. Vader wasn't trying to kill him, but he still had to beat Luke to a pulp and hack his hand off to end it.
3) Death Star 3.0 may have been a bit eyeroll but it was needed for the story because with one shot it removed a repeat of the prequel problem of incomprehensible battles between massive armadas spanning thousands of planets and brought the scale back down to something resembling the scope of originals. With the Republic essentially gone now the movies can stay scaled WAY back from the kind of stuff in the Clone Wars cartoons.
I mean, those fucking sweetass X-Wing dogfights in 7 vs that mess of shit in the opening of 3.. lol?
By keeping the scale smaller and the sides more even, Stormtroopers can be far less retarded. Tie Fighters can be capable fighting machines instead of throwaway pieces of shit that lose 100-1. You can actually follow what the fuck is going on.
Hopefully that one shot knocked them back into the stone age to keep the movies from escalating to clone wars levels of absurdity. The sides are even again, and much smaller.
Okay I'll stop.
