Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)

  • Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!



    Go here and give us your nominations!
    Who's been the biggest Asshat in the last year? Give us your worst ones!
Lithose

Lithose

Buzzfeed Editor
25,946
113,036
chaos_sl said:
Well if you're only counting movies he directed, then you're looking at Episode 4 as the last good movie he made. I'm assuming as a producer that he had a lotof input on the creative process on Indy, otherwise how the fuck do you explain Crystal Skull?
Click to expand...
That's always been his thing. From what I gather, he likes having other directors do all the grunt work, while he comes in and does the effects and big scenes. He's been doing that since Empire, when he stopped directing to focus on ILM. That is his niche, it's where he shines, creating effects. The thing is, he used to have a fellow producer that could check him from being a complete idiot and forming the movie around his effects, rather than the effects around the film.
 
Royal

Royal

Connoisseur of Exotic Pictures
15,077
10,643
chaos_sl said:
Well if you're only counting movies he directed, then you're looking at Episode 4 as the last good movie he made. I'm assuming as a producer that he had a lotof input on the creative process on Indy, otherwise how the fuck do you explain Crystal Skull?
Click to expand...
If you watch the making of for Crystal Skull you'll see that Spielberg was basically "George wants to do what? Fuck it. Let's do that." for that entire process. A Hollywood legend turned yes man. He has more than enough clout to eat a stinker with his name on it here and there so he ate one for George. I guess they're just good friends. It mystifies me though.

He (Spielberg) loved TFA to. Abrams let him have an advanced viewing and he came back and asked him to watch it again two more times.
 
khorum

khorum

Murder Apologist
24,338
81,363
Lucas asked Spielberg then Zemeckis then finally Ron Howard to direct the prequels. They all turned him down after saying "YOU should do it, George".

Cunts.

Even if George locked them down with ironclad contracts that guaranteed his creative interference, pretty much any of them would've made better films even given the same scripts. It's an interesting exercise to imagine the prequels as if Spielberg or Ron Howard directed them.
 
Miguex

Miguex

The lad himself
<Gold Donor>
2,247
1,806
Tanoomba_sl said:
I don't even think it would have bugged me if not for the fact that I don't even remember actually noticing the red arm untilafterhe said that line. If any attention had been drawn to it earlier (even implicitly), then his comment could have been interpreted as acknowledging my own curiosity, which is kind of funny (if not a bit fourth wally). Instead, he introduced it before it even registered visually (I admit it might have been visible in previous scenes and I just might not have noticed) and there was no payoff for having introduced it. I know someone mentioned the donor was in the background of one of the scenes, but I guess I missed that too. If there are multiple visual cues that tell a story and only become apparent after multiple viewings, then that'sawesomemoviemaking. But if it's an otherwise awkward line delivered just to generate interest in a***canon***comic side-story, that kind of bugs me.

Although I am totally nitpicking at this point. I really did love the movie.
Click to expand...
He mentioned his red arm seriously not more than 15 seconds after the first time he was on screen in the whole movie. It was all part of the "what a pretentious prick 3-PO is" joke that started when he busted in to the middle of Han and Leia seeing each other face to face for the first time in who knows how long. Trying to sell toys? Probably. Have to make a droid do something different or look different or who would buy it. But it wasn't as nefarious as you are making it out to be. I'm going broken record here but I can't believe how much of this movie people are not getting, or misremembering a day after they see it.

But I'm stoked you did like the movie a lot. I've not met a single person outside the internet who has even a half assed beef with the movie. There is so much positivity and awesome conversation coming out of this movie I love it. Nothing like talking Star Wars at work everyday to make the day go by quickly.
 
E

etchazz

Trakanon Raider
2,707
1,056
George Lucas sold his soul for the almighty dollar. If he doesn't like the direction the franchise is going, fuck him, next time don't sell it.
 
Royal

Royal

Connoisseur of Exotic Pictures
15,077
10,643
Basically he's pissed he couldn't get someone to pay him $4 billion to keep running the franchise into the ground.
 
Miguex

Miguex

The lad himself
<Gold Donor>
2,247
1,806
Yeah, with each day I more and more hew to the "fuck George Lucas" line. I firmly believe our movies are in the right hands now.
 
The Edge

The Edge

Lord Nagafen Raider
763
262
Regime_sl said:
Edge you going to let him smack talk Geroge like that?
Click to expand...
You mean bae?

I feel bad for the guy. I can empathize. You create something that creates a lot of passionate fans. Not everyone is a Star Wars fan, but hey, you weren't writing for those people anyway. You're just happy that people really like what you've created. You then take a break from it for many years, then come back with the next part of the story you want tell. Only now, a portion of those fans, and let's be honest, a minority, a very vocal minority, but still a minority, dislike your new work. You're bummed that you couldn't please everyone, but most people still really liked it, and overall, you're happy with your work. But now those dissenting opinions become angry and hateful, and they are relentless. Haters just don't ever fucking shut up. It's been 16 years and people still complain about Jar Jar. However much in the minority they are, you get sick of hearing the critics badmouth your creation. You look at doing the final part of your story, and look at the time investment and your age, you don't NEED the money, and remember the hate that you're going to get no matter how well you do, and you say "fuck it. I'm done." And you try to give the haters what they want by letting someone else finish your work.

You then watch the new finished product, and you see a story that you would not have told. You've had the ideas in your head for so long, about how this 9 part series would end up, and now you realize that you're never going to see that and you become full of regret. This was your baby, and you tried to do the right thing by giving it up, but you did it in a moment of weakness, because you were hurt, and you know that you can never take it back.

It doesn't matter how much money you have. Insults still hurt, and no one likes to have shit talked about them, especially on such a grand scale, and for so long. People are so quick to label things as "terrible, worst ever, sucks ass, abortion." It's sensationalist, and diminishes the value of true criticism, and in no way accurately reflects the quality of the work. People love jumping on the hate bandwagon though, for anything. Hate is easy. The Dark Side is a quicker path to power.

Well the haters won this time, and you got ANH 2.0. Congrats.
 
N

Nasonex

Molten Core Raider
51
57
did anyone post this? not sure where it's from.
http://9gag.com/gag/a1MAeW6

for those that can't read the blurry text:
THE NEW REPUBLIC: Following its great victory against the Empire at the Battle of Endor, the Alliance to Restore the Republic rebranded itself as the New Republic, and shortly afterward a peace treaty - the Galactic Concordance - was signed with the remnants of the Empire. Believing that the Empire was no longer a threat, the New Republic turned its attention to reshaping galactic politics.

THE FIRST ORDER: The Galactic Concordance defanged the Empire's ability to wage war, with strict disarmament treaties and punishing reparations. The Old Empire withered away, becoming a remnant of political hardliners locked in a cold war with the New Republic, before eventually breaking away to reform in the Unknown Regions as the mysterious First Order.

THE RESISTANCE: The Resistance is a small private force created by Princess Leia Organa to keep watch on the movements of the First Order. Though she petitions the New Republic government for support, she finds the politics of the Senate too slow and too mired(?) in self-interest to be of any help. The New Republic tolerates the Resistance, though it is wary of risking war with the First Order.

PEACE INTERRUPTED: After years of rebellion, the death of Emperor Palpatine gave the oppressed peoples of the galaxy undeniable evidence that the Empire could be defeated. A longing for freedom and peace drove a great tide of revolution from sector to sector, to the point where a truce - unthinkable at the height of the Galactic Civil War - was signed between the New Republic and the weakened Empire. As one of its first acts, the restored Senate promptly passed the Military Disarmament Act. Many were convinced that the age of galaxy-wide conflict was over.
 
chaos

chaos

Buzzfeed Editor
17,324
4,839
The Edge_sl said:
I don't care to google for you, but 1) 30 years ago he said he wanted to do 9 parts 2) At a interview he JUST did this week, he said in 2012 he was getting ready to make VII, but that's when he decided to sell to Disney instead.
Click to expand...
Right, he said that a long time ago, but he didn't have the story. He didn't even have the story for Episode 4 really, what we saw was not a singular vision but the result of years of work, sacrifice, and compromise. The movie he originally made was so bad not even he liked it. Your whole post about this poor man, beaten down by the fans for trying to just tell his story that he's had in his head for 30 years, it's bs. He wants Star Wars to be one way. But it's the other.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.