Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015)

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Drakain

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I too prefered that Kylo Ren spoke with an empty helmet. It lets you believe what you want, whether he really saw visions or he is himself delusional. In fact, despite Force Ghosts being officially real in the story, I always thought it would be better if we were certain they aren't really visible to anyone except Luke or the person "seeing" them, as if we, the audience, are simply having a visual representation of a feeling the Force is giving Luke. You kind of get that feeling at the end of ROTJ because Luke is looking at the three ghosts and no one else notices them, but it always bothered me a little that when you're dead you can basically appear at will, seemingly.

It is likely that Kylo Ren had visions of Vader's past when he touched the helmet, since the movie goes strongly in the direction that certain objects can be imbued with emotions or feelings if they belonged to a Force user, like Anakin's/Luke's first saber. If Kylo Ren saw visions of Vader's past with the helmet, it could explain why he has become so fanatical about finishing his crusade against the Jedi, not fully realizing that Vader eventually redeemed himself in that regard (I believe in the novelization Snoke tells him flat out that Vader was weak for breaking at the end, and it would have been better if he'd killed Luke when he could).
This is an interesting idea, though I'd guess Ben saw his own past and future as well. Though you could argue that Rey had the vision because of her memory wipe. But if Ben saw a vision after touching the helmet, it would explain the "show me again" line.
 

Caliane

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The novelization describes her flirtation with the dark side a little more clearly (I transcribed the paragraphearlier). In it, Rey is the one who willfully steps back from it.

If the movie undersells anything, it's the extent to which Rey was channeling the dark side during that fight... maybe Ren's reaction to killing Han too (i.e. made him more of a mess), though by then you'd been bludgeoned with the fact that he lacked control and focus.
weird. I definitely picked up on that. She was clearly getting angry. JJ. literally had fire in her eyes.. And, then yeah, they make a big scene of her calming herself down.
 

Ukerric

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jLeia not having an force training still is a bit silly imho too.
She went into politics, which is basically what she always knew (daughter - adopted - of major politician) and what the New Republic needed after the fall of the Empire. No time for Jedi training.
I do hope the Revan guessing is correct. She inexplicably good, because she was the student that killed the others, despite the claim it was a boy, and got mind wiped for it.
The blame is laid on the "Knights of Ren", which Ben Solo joined (and take the moniker that comes with it, like Darth for the Sith). It's clearly Ben who did the slaughter.
 

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It's a little weird that Leia and Han named their son Ben, no? Han didn't really believe in the Force in ANH and Leia only really knows him from her father / R2. Every time Obi-Wan shows up after ANH it was as a force-ghost to Luke.
 

khorum

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It's a little weird that Leia and Han named their son Ben, no? Han didn't really believe in the Force in ANH and Leia only really knows him from her father / R2. Every time Obi-Wan shows up after ANH it was as a force-ghost to Luke.
Episode 8 opens with Luke calling Rey "Padme".
 

Caliane

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It's a little weird that Leia and Han named their son Ben, no? Han didn't really believe in the Force in ANH and Leia only really knows him from her father / R2. Every time Obi-Wan shows up after ANH it was as a force-ghost to Luke.
ha. yeah. in fact, Han still didn't really believe in it, when getting un-frozen. "Luke is no jedi". Still saw Ben as a bit of a fool.

Bail Organa died on Alderaan.. Would have made more sense as a namesake, or even Lando.

EU before this,solo's had 3 children. Jacen, Jaina. twins, and youngest, Anakin.
Jaina is the chosen one of the EU.
Luke's kid was named Ben.

"we asked Luke for input on the kids name" could explain it easy enough.
 

Jive Turkey

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Was Obi-Wan not the only main character from ANH not to make it through to the end? Seems pretty reasonable to name your kid after someone who sacrificed his life for you
 

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What's worse is that "Ben" wasn't even his name. It was a cover. If you really wanted to pay homage to the dude, name your kid Obi-Wan. It was clearly just fan service.
 

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What's worse is that "Ben" wasn't even his name. It was a cover. If you really wanted to pay homage to the dude, name your kid Obi-Wan. It was clearly just fan service.
No fan service in the prequels...
Weird for Luke to call him Ben the whole time too. They should've included a line in ESB where his force ghost says "actually, it's Obi Wan". It almost seemed like 'Ben' was his preferred moniker. But no, clearly Han and Leia naming their kid the name the guy went by is a blunder of story telling. They should hand it back over the George. Maybe he can write a story about Obi-Wan's dad who is also named Ben. Obi-Wan sees him get his head chopped off by Jango Fett's uncle at Jabba's palace right after he finishes building R2-D2
 

Jive Turkey

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You're trying too hard, dude.
By pointing out how crap your reasoning is? By pointing out how you refuse to apply the same level of criticism to the prequels because then you wouldn't get to play the woe-is-me game? Your deliberate contrarianism to "bring balance to the forum"?
 

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By pointing out how crap your reasoning is? By pointing out how you refuse to apply the same level of criticism to the prequels because then you wouldn't get to play the woe-is-me game? Your deliberate contrarianism to "bring balance to the forum"?
The amount of time you spend on my jock is concerning.

Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi... er I mean Ben...
 

khorum

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For all we know Kylo's full name prolly IS Obi-wan... but then his parents just call him by the same logical nickname his namesake had.
 

Caliane

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Maybe the meet some supercool dude named Ben Sleazebaggano, son of Elan Sleazebaggano. After Elan turned around his life from selling deathsticks, when Obi wan, told him to stop. He met a girl, and named his kid after the Jedi that "helped him". but got the name wrong.
The kid Ben Sleazebaggano is a general in the New Republic, and lead the ground forces that got the Death star plans, where all the Boffans died. And then later became godparent to Han and Leia's kid.