Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)

Can we have a full movie of this instead?


Great cinematics, shame about the game

Neki said:

Can we have a full movie of this instead?


Great cinematics, shame about the game

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This is the reason I like star wars, Too bad they will never do this in a movie.

There is never , ever, ever , any gray in the sith/jedi dynamic.

I've talked about this before I'm sure, but I think that's because the Jedi/Sith are just cults of force users. Of course there's no grey, because then you wouldn't be a Jedi/Sith. But force isn't restricted to those two groups of goobers, but it just so happens they're the two powerhouses of the region. They definitely could introduce a 3rd group at some point from the outer reaches or something else.

Amzin said:

I've talked about this before I'm sure, but I think that's because the Jedi/Sith are just cults of force users. Of course there's no grey, because then you wouldn't be a Jedi/Sith. But force isn't restricted to those two groups of goobers, but it just so happens they're the two powerhouses of the region. They definitely could introduce a 3rd group at some point from the outer reaches or something else.

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But they wont, and thats the problem.

Except they are. They're slowly building that 'grey' force users are far more powerful. You'll almost always have the Jedi be the heroes, but with what they are doing in Rebels(canon) makes me think you'll see it in the movies as well.

Miguex said:

In fact, they are doing that currently in the Rebels cartoon series with the Bendu who is neither lightside or darkside (his words), and did in Clone Wars with the Night Sisters of Dathomir who utilize the darkside but aren't Sith

Edit : Actually, while Kylo isn't Sith either, and in interviews I recall them discussing that Kylo believes he is doing the right thing which makes him such an interesting character. He may end up being seen as in the middle in the end. In most of the books in the new canon, they are making it a point to establish that in both sides of any conflict, either side thinks the are doing the right thing, rarely are there purely evil people just running around being dicks.

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Yeah and they did it with the books, and they did it with the older cartoons and they did it in 40 video games that are great. But they NEVER do it in the movies. Kylo may be redeemed in the end but he wont be anything but all the way good or all the way evil. Also he is not "sith" because the last sith lord was thrown down a reactor shaft, as far as we know. Apprentices are not Sith unless they are raised to a title of the Sith.

There has never been, a "gray" jedi, even though QuiGon as a character is a kind of scumbag, Lucas only stated that there are absolutes of good and evil. There is never a Jedi who just "does it for themselves" or a morally ambiguous. Only Lawful Stupid or Sneeringly evil. This may change, but we have YET to see it in main continuity. I don't think they will because the story has to be kept as clean as possible in the main continuity. There won't be a Rey vs Finn Civil war battle of ideals sort of thing. I doubt we will ever see a Jedi force choke storm troopers and then shoot lightning at them and throw them out of an airlock like (My Hero) Kyle Katarn.


Until i see that blue haired fuck in a movie I will treat the cartoon like all the previous cartoons and all the books. "Starkiller" was supposed to be canon too.

radditsu said:

But they NEVER do it in the movies.

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I think thats the glory of the disney pickup. I might be apart of the optimistic few, but in most interviews the way i've managed to interpt is that its eventually going to be a giant expanded universe but it all about easing us into it now. It's better to acclimate its fan base rather than making major shifts from the get go, esp that of Starwars. I mean we will see, we have the next 50 something years with this shit, year after year, movie after movie. As long as we throw money at it, its only going to continue.

I for one want to see bandits and outlaws that are force sensitive, and don't really care/want it; but proves useful in some ways or another. I want to see fanatic cults hell bent on the idea that blood letting increases force energy and are basically psychopaths. Shit i'd be happy with rancor tamers and night sisters from dathomir.

Boys from Brazil is an old 70's movie about Nazi's in Argentina, which Abrams admitted was his inspiration for TFA. "What if a bunch of Nazi's escaped to South America and...."

In the movie, Joseph Mengele creates a bunch of Hitler clones, but cloning Hitler isn't enough, he needs to provide an environment conducive to his upbringing. The clones were abandoned around the world and would "rise" at a certain period and....

Enter Rey. Abandoned on Jakku, to the care of a junk-dealer. Has amazing innate force powers, without training, great pilot, and a ton of parallels to Anakin. But Anakin lived a harsh childhood on Tatooine, and yet we also have that parallel on Jakku. Rey was the Empire's attempt at cloning Vader, and she's perhaps not the only one out there.

So we have Kylo, who as hard as he tries will never be Darth Vader.
And Rey, who is Vader, but wants no part of his legacy. The drama.

The Boys from Brazil might hold the key to Rey's true identity

Honestly, I think if any of the theories are right - it's this. The biggest implication is that Boys from Brazil had 94 clones of Hitler. Rey may not be the only Vader clone at all.

The only way I would ok with "Rey is a clone of Anakin", is if we actually see 10 Reys or so. Killing each other. Fighting to be the One. etc, etc. cyborg Rey, light side Rey, Darkside rey. mohawk rey. Twilik Rey. Boy Rey, etc.

Caliane said:

The only way I would ok with "Rey is a clone of Anakin", is if we actually see 10 Reys or so. Killing each other. Fighting to be the One. etc, etc. cyborg Rey, light side Rey, Darkside rey. mohawk rey. Twilik Rey. Boy Rey, etc.

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SO essentially the plotline of Baldur's Gate with the Bhaalspawn. I would dig it.

ok.....those theories are getting worse each time

ohkcrlho said:

ok.....those theories are getting worse each time

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When trying to predict what will happen next in a piece of fiction there are a limited number of tools. There's the work itself and whether the author used foreshadowing or included clues. Then there's what the artist has said in regard to the work. Then his basic philosophical views, outlook on life, and general personality ...and finally, their collection of work or influences.

There's a bunch of stuff in TFA that is either extremely lazy writing (Mary Sue complex) with Rey being almost on the level of a Jedi Knight, being able to fly almost everything she touches, and speak almost every language despite being isolated in a desert.

This leaves two possibilities:

1. They wrote themselves into a corner as we nowhere in Star Wars lore has it ever been shown that a normal force-sensitive can "train" themselves. Ever. They basically fucked the pooch.

2. Rey is special as fuck. As in Anakin-level special, as he's the only character in Star Wars history that was able to display his powers without training. Whether she's Anakin? I don't know. But she's Luke's daughter, a random girl, or anything like that. She's more force sensitive than even Luke was.

The second is what I'm going to go with because if it's number 1, then the franchise is fucked.

So why is Rey special? We have to look at what Abrams (and others working on the project) have said, what else they've written, and make educated guesses. Boys in Brazil is an obvious influence on him, as if you've watched the movie, you notice fucking parallels between it and TFA. It WAS an influence for Episode VII.

So here's what we know. The Empire had a super secret base on Jakku that it defended at all costs and they were experimenting. Cloning in the Star Wars universe can be done, but a force user has never been cloned. They could have been knocking on a very particular door, cloning a force user. Who is the most powerful force user who's DNA they would have access to? Vader/Luke. That saber that was found? It had a hand that went along with it.

Girl shows up, Mary Sue's her way to victory. Very mysterious backstory and origin. If she was a random force user, it'd have been explained in the first scene. If she's Luke's daughter, they wouldn't go through this much secrecy about it.

...no, when you add it up Rey is most likely some incarnation, representation, or at least on the same level as Anakin Skywalker with a very interesting origin story (probably cloned).

Rey and Anakin are the only two characters in Star Wars lore that have been shown to be able to speak all languages, have god-like piloting abilities, and use the force without being taught to do so. Both born on a desert planet, both lived as a slave, and I can go on and on. The parallels between their characters is enough to fill a fucking page. Rey and Anakin have far more in common than say Luke and Anakin.

The only two. Nobody, not even Luke, displays those qualities. So again, either they did a really terrible job writing the script or she's representative of Anakin, at least power-wise. She is not Luke's daughter. She is not a random being. Maybe she was born near some super force tree and is now one of the most powerful force users in the Galaxy, or something fucking crazy, but she is NOT a normal heroine.

I think the most likely explanation given these assumptions is that she's a clone of Anakin. That makes more sense than her being the chosen one reborn, and fits with the backstory we know about the "weird experimentation" being done.

Again, if her backstory wasn't super fucking significant we'd know it already. It's obviously a major plot point. She's not going to be Luke's daughter, buddy, no way in hell.

I haven't been surprised by a movie's twist since I was twelve. I saw The Prestige the other day, never heard a word about it before it showed up on TV, and had the ending figured out midway through the movie.

Very little literature or film these days is straightforward, as basically twist endings have become so commonplace that it's a twist to not include a fucking twist.

Rey can speak Wookie for fuck's sake. Nobody speaks Wookie. That basically confirms she's special as fuck. Did she learn how to speak that language by making sandcastles on Jakku? No. Either innate language knowledge is a characteristic of the chosen one, or it was programmed into her via experimentation.