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I think you're missing my point. I doesn't concern me that features x or y are missing from the game. I no longer play it. I've already given them credit for fixing the initial snafu which they could have prevented from happening in the first place and handled with better wording, as you said. The fact that it is being blown up is because people are using real currency to purchase these items. While that's not my cup of tea, I can understand a consumer's frustration if they buy something and do not get what they had expected. These events are pertinent to the current state of the game. I'm not shouting, "I want my guild capital ship!!1!" I'm stating that the game is being managed poorly and that consumers and loyal fans of the franchise deserve better. When they do ask about the status of long awaited features, they are met with coy responses from the devs. I'm hearing them peddle cartel market gear more than upcoming features. Just because I'm expecting better than what's been given, I don't think that's bitching. Especially when you consider what this game promised and failed to deliver.sakkath_sl said:
If mentioning swtor's dirty laundry is steering this thread into nerd rage territory, I'll bow out. I assumed recent events, whether good or bad, are topical to the discussion of the game. If it's labeled as "bitching" for pointing out Bioware/EA's numerous missteps, that's fine. I'm not playing the game now. Based off that trailer, doesn't look like I'm missing much.
Haha, only after he ditched Yoda's body in the closet and rammed a Stromtrooper.Caeden_sl said:
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It's just such a poisonous atmosphere on this forum (just like foh was) where from about 1 month after launch every mmo thread that isn't wow is nothing but negative nancies having a cry about it. We've known for a year that Bioware spent Australia's GDP on development and came up with a game that is worthy more of Zimbabwe's GDP. This isn't new news and so continuing to bemoan missing/incomplete features is like continuing to complain about the assasination of Arch-Duke Ferdinand. We also know that the development & maintenace staff for SWTOR have been gutted as a result of the failure of the game to reach the kind of success levels that they had hoped for. As a result the addition of content and fixing of issues takes longer than it otherwise would.
They are driven by the cartel market now and that's a shame but it's just the way the industry goes. Personally I remember Diablo 2 and the continual balance/content patches blizzard released with no real profit on the horizon other than the love of their adoring fans. These days Diablo 3 is pretty much just a test bed for the RMAH.
Ultimately I guess I don't understand why people who hate the game want to hang around complaining in a thread about the game. I found GW2 to be the least fun to play MMO ever but trolling the GW2 thread sounds like a total waste of time to me. This thread would be pretty inactive if the negative nancies left, especially given most of the actual positive posts are just people arguing with the haters.
They are driven by the cartel market now and that's a shame but it's just the way the industry goes. Personally I remember Diablo 2 and the continual balance/content patches blizzard released with no real profit on the horizon other than the love of their adoring fans. These days Diablo 3 is pretty much just a test bed for the RMAH.
Ultimately I guess I don't understand why people who hate the game want to hang around complaining in a thread about the game. I found GW2 to be the least fun to play MMO ever but trolling the GW2 thread sounds like a total waste of time to me. This thread would be pretty inactive if the negative nancies left, especially given most of the actual positive posts are just people arguing with the haters.
I was one of the biggest proponents of this game when it first launched. I'm such a lore nerd, and having a game where you had things that werealmostas good as wow in some respects, plus amazing storylines, voice acting, awesome cutscenes etc. A character that you could craft from the ground up...it was sooo good. It FELT good too; some of my friends were a bit leery, but I had them do a trial and they loved it as well, but that quickly petered out.
I didn't come to complain about the game I no longer play; I stopped my subscription but I decided to try some stories I missed when it went ftp. The issue is that it's fucking an abomination. All I want is the story, and they've made it so annoying just to see the only good part of their game, that I get frustrated.
And honestly, it's perfectly fine to bitch about it. The main issue is that when it launched, they had issues fucking vanilla wow had. The mmo industry had come far enough by then that even if they had built the game off of a copy of vanilla wow, they should have just added the extra features. And they're not stepping up to the plate. There are many issues they could solve - and several they should by god solve to keep this game afloat. Yet all they seem to be doing is trying to make bank off of people willing to pay ridiculous prices.
I don't mind if you like the game. My jedi is in her 20s now and if I can somehow slog through the filler I plan to see all the republic classes. But those who come in (like yourself) and call people with valid points negative nancies, well...you're not doing much either. Most of us aren't negative; or rather, if we are, it's not because we want to be, but because the very real truth of the matter is that swtor failed so miserably. And that was a fucking lance to the heart for serial mmo players and hardcore star wars fans. (Like myself.)
People aren't coming into this thread going, OMG SWTOR SUCKS SO MUCH AND IF YOU LIKE IT YOU LIKE GAY PENIS. They're coming in with REAL issues, with REAL annoyances and REAL dev answers that fail to do anything to breathe life into a game that had such god damn potential.
Typing all that made me so depressed. How the fuck do you fail a game that hands you lightsabers, aliens, force powers, choices that matter, romances, cutscenes, voice acting etc, copy the fucking palette of a successful mmo, put in a bunch of shit to make the lore nerds rejoice...is BEYOND ME. Absolutely beyond me.
And being driven by the cartel is NOT the way the industry goes. A game like that belongs on fucking facebook, where we can laugh in derision and wait for the fallout.
It's based on the cartel because it's star wars; because people who want something SORT OF like wow but don't want wow can relate to it. Because the people who are going to give them the money they want are going to do so with mandalorian beskar'gam armor and slave outfits bought from the market. (I lied, I actually asked at e3 if they put the blue mandalorian armor in and that was a big no. God forgive me but if my chiss bounty hunter could get that shit I would probably drop cartel coins on and copy pasta that shit all over my facebook. LOOK, I'M A FUCKING MANDALORIAN, YARRRRRRR.)
Anyways, I haven't seen anything that's been legitimate trolling yet. Just people on the board, sharing their dashed hopes and dreams on a franchise that led us all to the promised land of Taris and then fucking bombed our shit. Good times.
I didn't come to complain about the game I no longer play; I stopped my subscription but I decided to try some stories I missed when it went ftp. The issue is that it's fucking an abomination. All I want is the story, and they've made it so annoying just to see the only good part of their game, that I get frustrated.
And honestly, it's perfectly fine to bitch about it. The main issue is that when it launched, they had issues fucking vanilla wow had. The mmo industry had come far enough by then that even if they had built the game off of a copy of vanilla wow, they should have just added the extra features. And they're not stepping up to the plate. There are many issues they could solve - and several they should by god solve to keep this game afloat. Yet all they seem to be doing is trying to make bank off of people willing to pay ridiculous prices.
I don't mind if you like the game. My jedi is in her 20s now and if I can somehow slog through the filler I plan to see all the republic classes. But those who come in (like yourself) and call people with valid points negative nancies, well...you're not doing much either. Most of us aren't negative; or rather, if we are, it's not because we want to be, but because the very real truth of the matter is that swtor failed so miserably. And that was a fucking lance to the heart for serial mmo players and hardcore star wars fans. (Like myself.)
People aren't coming into this thread going, OMG SWTOR SUCKS SO MUCH AND IF YOU LIKE IT YOU LIKE GAY PENIS. They're coming in with REAL issues, with REAL annoyances and REAL dev answers that fail to do anything to breathe life into a game that had such god damn potential.
Typing all that made me so depressed. How the fuck do you fail a game that hands you lightsabers, aliens, force powers, choices that matter, romances, cutscenes, voice acting etc, copy the fucking palette of a successful mmo, put in a bunch of shit to make the lore nerds rejoice...is BEYOND ME. Absolutely beyond me.
And being driven by the cartel is NOT the way the industry goes. A game like that belongs on fucking facebook, where we can laugh in derision and wait for the fallout.
It's based on the cartel because it's star wars; because people who want something SORT OF like wow but don't want wow can relate to it. Because the people who are going to give them the money they want are going to do so with mandalorian beskar'gam armor and slave outfits bought from the market. (I lied, I actually asked at e3 if they put the blue mandalorian armor in and that was a big no. God forgive me but if my chiss bounty hunter could get that shit I would probably drop cartel coins on and copy pasta that shit all over my facebook. LOOK, I'M A FUCKING MANDALORIAN, YARRRRRRR.)
Anyways, I haven't seen anything that's been legitimate trolling yet. Just people on the board, sharing their dashed hopes and dreams on a franchise that led us all to the promised land of Taris and then fucking bombed our shit. Good times.
I'm not quite following you here. Are you complaining that you actually have to do the level process to follow the storylines for each class? Even with the slower process via F2P I'm still going very quickly through levels when I play, which I admit is very infrequently.
My viewpoints about the game are similar to yours, and I dislike the freemium model, but for me the F2P setup is a win, as I can login and screw around when I feel like it. I essentially play now just for those storylines, and the ingame filler quests to me aren't bad. The handicaps of this system sucks, but as I could careless about anything but playing in a single player mode it doesn't really matter to me.
I think the current setup is perfect for me. I also think there's way too much harsh rhetoric about this game. Does the game have a ton of issues and is the endgame cut and pasted via WOW? Yup. Is it really that bad? Not in my opinion. I guess the Bioware/Star Wars angst takes over in these forums.
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To each their own, good on you if you enjoy the game. But your opinion of "its not that bad" is probably a minority. The F2P setup is a "win" compared to them shutting down the servers maybe, but not in any other context. I really wish this game would pull an EQ2 and at least somewhat improve into a decent product. The Rift thread mentions that Hartsman is leaving Trion so maybe he can work another miracle on TOR, because at this point that is what it would take to salvage this game. And for the record I wanted and still want this game to succeed, I wanted to the F2P model to succeed when a sub game wasnt viable anymore, but look at what they considered a good solution... With the development track record of the last year the only way to success that I see is some other company buying it and replacing alot of devs.
Creed, it seems so in this thread and that surprises me. Is the game really that bad, though? Terrible to me would be Shadowbane on release. I think SWTOR is disappointing, but I felt I got my money's worth out of the game.
There are problems, but what game doesn't have them? Rift bored the bejesus out of me even more than SWTOR, but again that's just my opinion. That said, I felt Rift likewise was a decent game.
I think their freemium solution is mediocre, but it's par for the course, really. I think of terrible, I think playing 3 hours and uninstalling, or of wanting back the two months I wasted to get to max level. Neither of those things are the case with SWTOR. I still enjoy the storylines and to some degree some parts of the game.
I wouldn't complain though if their dev team was completely replaced and some fresh new design ideas were rolled in. I do agree if that doesn't happen, then many former players won't ever be paying ones again.
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There are problems, but what game doesn't have them? Rift bored the bejesus out of me even more than SWTOR, but again that's just my opinion. That said, I felt Rift likewise was a decent game.
I think their freemium solution is mediocre, but it's par for the course, really. I think of terrible, I think playing 3 hours and uninstalling, or of wanting back the two months I wasted to get to max level. Neither of those things are the case with SWTOR. I still enjoy the storylines and to some degree some parts of the game.
I wouldn't complain though if their dev team was completely replaced and some fresh new design ideas were rolled in. I do agree if that doesn't happen, then many former players won't ever be paying ones again.
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When I said "filler", I meant all the extra quests that go along with class quests. They're not very inventive - it's just more of the collect this, assassinate that, kill 20 of these, etc, and while the FTP exp reduction isn't SUPER TERRIBLE (I believe it's 25% less exp, plus you cannot gain rested) it effectively puts me at 2-3 levels less than what I would have been at this stage of the game prior. Meaning, boring filler quests become more tiresome. I wasn't speaking of the exp reduction in that at all, more that, if I want to see the stories myself, all of those collect/assassinate/kill quests must be done at least 4 times. That's quite boring.
This model of FTP is not par for the course. This cartel coin bullshit is not the state of the industry. What FTP games have you guys been playing that it is? Perfect World shit?
The Secret World FTP is fucking awesome; though you still have to buy the game. Guild Wars 2 has a great model - hell, even current EQ2 has a better model.
Not being able to increase bag space except via coins is silly. Make it double the credit cost, but real money for another two rows of bag slots? What?
Cannot gain exp or loot from champion mobs. Only one vault storage. (And let me reiterate, this is not even for FTP, this is PREFERRED.) FTP to my knowledge get no vault spaces, they get two hotbars.
I'm locked to 3 space missions a week, which isn't awful since they're not amazing but I used them to bridge gaps of exp. 5 medical probes, PERIOD. Quick travel on a 2 hr cooldown. Cannot equip artifact gear. Cannot show titles. (Even if you are preferred with a fucking founder achievement.) Cannot show legacy surnames. Only have the choice of two races. Two crew skills.
The list goes on and on. They are taking out QOL things, and core gaming functions. Now granted, for right now, it's only tiresome and frustrating for me because I'm really only doing stories. But if you play for any length of time that quickly becomes more annoying.
It's a terrible model, and instead of maybe garnering more subscribers, which is generally what FTP models try to do, they are driving people away. The people who are subscribers get fucked too, because the FTP model currently doesn't enable them to do anything better, or to have more people to group with.
Right now, the status is either, you subscribe, or you pay huge amounts just to be able to do everything but stories. If you're not a subscriber, they don't give a shit about you.
The best selling points of this game are not endgame, not flashpoints (Although some are cool), not pvp (Though I love huttball) and not space missions. It's the stories, it's the titles, it's the nifty lightsaber shit. And they've made it either super restrictive just to do that, or super annoying.
And I'll state again: It's fine if you like it, but there is a world of difference between "I like this/This is right for me" to "This is a good gaming model". They should be mutually inclusive, but currently are not. They should be held to a higher standard, even if you're having fun.
This model of FTP is not par for the course. This cartel coin bullshit is not the state of the industry. What FTP games have you guys been playing that it is? Perfect World shit?
The Secret World FTP is fucking awesome; though you still have to buy the game. Guild Wars 2 has a great model - hell, even current EQ2 has a better model.
Not being able to increase bag space except via coins is silly. Make it double the credit cost, but real money for another two rows of bag slots? What?
Cannot gain exp or loot from champion mobs. Only one vault storage. (And let me reiterate, this is not even for FTP, this is PREFERRED.) FTP to my knowledge get no vault spaces, they get two hotbars.
I'm locked to 3 space missions a week, which isn't awful since they're not amazing but I used them to bridge gaps of exp. 5 medical probes, PERIOD. Quick travel on a 2 hr cooldown. Cannot equip artifact gear. Cannot show titles. (Even if you are preferred with a fucking founder achievement.) Cannot show legacy surnames. Only have the choice of two races. Two crew skills.
The list goes on and on. They are taking out QOL things, and core gaming functions. Now granted, for right now, it's only tiresome and frustrating for me because I'm really only doing stories. But if you play for any length of time that quickly becomes more annoying.
It's a terrible model, and instead of maybe garnering more subscribers, which is generally what FTP models try to do, they are driving people away. The people who are subscribers get fucked too, because the FTP model currently doesn't enable them to do anything better, or to have more people to group with.
Right now, the status is either, you subscribe, or you pay huge amounts just to be able to do everything but stories. If you're not a subscriber, they don't give a shit about you.
The best selling points of this game are not endgame, not flashpoints (Although some are cool), not pvp (Though I love huttball) and not space missions. It's the stories, it's the titles, it's the nifty lightsaber shit. And they've made it either super restrictive just to do that, or super annoying.
And I'll state again: It's fine if you like it, but there is a world of difference between "I like this/This is right for me" to "This is a good gaming model". They should be mutually inclusive, but currently are not. They should be held to a higher standard, even if you're having fun.
This is straight from the Sony freemium extortion playbook.
Guild Wars 2 was built from the ground up to be a free to play game, though. GW2 charges you to increase your bank and bag space, too btw.
I think they very grudgingly went to the F2P model and have embraced it in a limited fashion as they feel their game is worth the subscription fee. It sounds like you like the game, but want it for free, Vex. I dislike it a lot more than you, and I'm happy with the F2P portion as I hate the PVP, most of the raiding, and could care less about the titles or romance. I just like the class storylines and being able to screw around ingame occasionally.
No, I don't want it for free. What I want is to feel that all the money I poured into it previously wasn't for naught. I had a subscription up until November, when I cancelled it, as I had both a GW2 and an active WOW account. In the end I got 300 cartel coins, and things that I had already unlocked restricted to me.
As a preferred customer, someone who beta'd the game, bought it on day 1 etc - I think the very least they could do is show some appreciation. I'd be far more willing to actually spend real money on the game than I am now, because frankly, I'd rather wade through their game in a state of perpetual annoyance than give them dime 1 for their failure.
Also, I am extremely harsh because games like swtor and secret world had such damn promise, and blew the pooch.
As a preferred customer, someone who beta'd the game, bought it on day 1 etc - I think the very least they could do is show some appreciation. I'd be far more willing to actually spend real money on the game than I am now, because frankly, I'd rather wade through their game in a state of perpetual annoyance than give them dime 1 for their failure.
Also, I am extremely harsh because games like swtor and secret world had such damn promise, and blew the pooch.
I agree they had great promise, but it sounds like you got your moneys worth from SWTOR, right? I feel I did, even though I currently choose not to subscribe. Just out of curiosity do you feel the same way about WOW, also? I imagine you've spent a ton more on it, and it still requires the 15/mo to play.
If I wanted to play SWTOR 3 or 4 nights a week and had a ton of content I wanted to do I really wouldn't mind paying a sub fee. However, the game does not have enough hooks to justify it for me. It almost sounds like there's a lot you'd like to do but you refuse to pay due to the mistakes SWTOR has made. I kinda understand that, but not really....
If I wanted to play SWTOR 3 or 4 nights a week and had a ton of content I wanted to do I really wouldn't mind paying a sub fee. However, the game does not have enough hooks to justify it for me. It almost sounds like there's a lot you'd like to do but you refuse to pay due to the mistakes SWTOR has made. I kinda understand that, but not really....
A successful FTP model would not take away, but would instead add incentives to subscribe. When the Secret World went FTP, they took away virtually nothing - it was the same experience. I feel the restrictions are quite disturbing - maybe that is because they made it a subscriber game, so knowing that it has to go FTP, they must remove things, but the things they remove are really silly. It's nickel and diming your audience.
I actually just want to see the stories in swtor. There's not enough end game to justify trying to get there. I like the pvp, and some flash points are fun, but I literally did maybe 5 flashpoints my entire swtor experience. (And that was 4 classes leveled to 50 on imperial side.) Now that they've taken a bunch of stuff away, and I'm only doing one particular part of the game, it seems silly to restrict just that. But that's the issue. Their one big draw is the stories, and they know this. My jedi is level 22 on tatooine, and my quests are orange and red. Without rested exp and with the reduced exp gain, I'm getting behind in levels. I've mentioned some of the other restrictions previous to this post. What i'm saying is that I am practically doing the bare minimum of this game as is, and yet still my experience is quite frustrating. Not to mention that I put months of time and money into this game already, where I was STILL only doing the same parts of it (Stories) and not getting my money's worth. I unlocked races, and class combinations, perks and boosts, that are once again locked out because I'm on a FTP model.
A subscriber now gets everything before plus cartel coins, and a few other perks, so shouldn't my months prior be rewarded? Shouldn't I at least be acknowledged for putting into the game previously? I might even be compelled to spend money on the game were everything not restricted as it is, but practically everything I do in game comes with another reminder that I'm just a FTP. Quick travel? 2 hrs. Vault space? Needs cartel coins. Two more bag slots? Cartel coins. Artifact gear? Cartel coins. Titles? Cartel coins. Medical probes? Cartel coins. Speeder? Not till level 25. The restrictions on just the single player part might be acceptable if they also gave you a bit more of everything else, but all of the other stuff is restricted as well. Hell, you can't even send messages to people like normal, or mail when on this model.
Did you play swtor when it was a subscription? It's an entirely different experience.
As for wow, I am relatively unsatisfied with that of late, but I have friends at blizzard who always give 1 year subscription cards as gifts for christmas. So keeping a subscription to wow isn't money out of my pocket. The reason I even loaded up swtor again was because wow was driving me nuts with their current mechanics. It's more of the same old, same old, but on top of that they've gone back on changes made for the better of their game. I've ranted in that thread too; do you keep up on the news of wow at all by chance? Just take a look at some of their retarded raid loot changes. They have no idea what they're doing.
As you say, if I were playing swtor all the time, and dabbling in a ton of things, I wouldn't mind the subscription fee. But as it is, because they've scaled back so significantly, it's not only not worth a subscription fee, or buying parts of it, but it's sad that I log out in frustration with some of the restrictions. They did a breakdown of all of the FTP elements, and if you were to buy everything piecemeal, it would not only cost more than a subscription per month, but it would also cost more than buying the game outright. (More than $60 last checked.) That doesnt strike you as a little odd?
The issue I have with both swtor and wow is that it's obvious in both games that the models they've chosen are specifically to make as much money as possible, without as much work or thought. I understand that mmos and game in general are to make money, but you should be thrilled to make players happy - making games should be fun, they should be something you are proud of, not something that rapes people's souls at the price of 4.99 per restriction unlocked.
I actually just want to see the stories in swtor. There's not enough end game to justify trying to get there. I like the pvp, and some flash points are fun, but I literally did maybe 5 flashpoints my entire swtor experience. (And that was 4 classes leveled to 50 on imperial side.) Now that they've taken a bunch of stuff away, and I'm only doing one particular part of the game, it seems silly to restrict just that. But that's the issue. Their one big draw is the stories, and they know this. My jedi is level 22 on tatooine, and my quests are orange and red. Without rested exp and with the reduced exp gain, I'm getting behind in levels. I've mentioned some of the other restrictions previous to this post. What i'm saying is that I am practically doing the bare minimum of this game as is, and yet still my experience is quite frustrating. Not to mention that I put months of time and money into this game already, where I was STILL only doing the same parts of it (Stories) and not getting my money's worth. I unlocked races, and class combinations, perks and boosts, that are once again locked out because I'm on a FTP model.
A subscriber now gets everything before plus cartel coins, and a few other perks, so shouldn't my months prior be rewarded? Shouldn't I at least be acknowledged for putting into the game previously? I might even be compelled to spend money on the game were everything not restricted as it is, but practically everything I do in game comes with another reminder that I'm just a FTP. Quick travel? 2 hrs. Vault space? Needs cartel coins. Two more bag slots? Cartel coins. Artifact gear? Cartel coins. Titles? Cartel coins. Medical probes? Cartel coins. Speeder? Not till level 25. The restrictions on just the single player part might be acceptable if they also gave you a bit more of everything else, but all of the other stuff is restricted as well. Hell, you can't even send messages to people like normal, or mail when on this model.
Did you play swtor when it was a subscription? It's an entirely different experience.
As for wow, I am relatively unsatisfied with that of late, but I have friends at blizzard who always give 1 year subscription cards as gifts for christmas. So keeping a subscription to wow isn't money out of my pocket. The reason I even loaded up swtor again was because wow was driving me nuts with their current mechanics. It's more of the same old, same old, but on top of that they've gone back on changes made for the better of their game. I've ranted in that thread too; do you keep up on the news of wow at all by chance? Just take a look at some of their retarded raid loot changes. They have no idea what they're doing.
As you say, if I were playing swtor all the time, and dabbling in a ton of things, I wouldn't mind the subscription fee. But as it is, because they've scaled back so significantly, it's not only not worth a subscription fee, or buying parts of it, but it's sad that I log out in frustration with some of the restrictions. They did a breakdown of all of the FTP elements, and if you were to buy everything piecemeal, it would not only cost more than a subscription per month, but it would also cost more than buying the game outright. (More than $60 last checked.) That doesnt strike you as a little odd?
The issue I have with both swtor and wow is that it's obvious in both games that the models they've chosen are specifically to make as much money as possible, without as much work or thought. I understand that mmos and game in general are to make money, but you should be thrilled to make players happy - making games should be fun, they should be something you are proud of, not something that rapes people's souls at the price of 4.99 per restriction unlocked.
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I've said repeatedly that the only way to play the game is via subscription. The F2P option is punishing, it's meant to shame people into shelling out money to get full enjoyment out of the game. I think it's a shitty business model, but EA gonna EA. I don't let BW off the hook entirely though, since they're the ones putting armor models that were part of the original art designs up for sale for $15 but hey, gotta pay the bills and such. My only suggestion is if you haven't done the Bonus Series on Taris, hit that up and you might get a level or two which would help put you where you need to be for Tatooine.
Speaking of stories, I finished up the Jedi Knight one yesterday. On the whole I think it's one of the better ones, but then I was consistent in my Dark Side choices so that probably made it play out a lot better than if I had gone all goody-two-shoes. Out of all the stories I've seen through from start to finish, it's definitely the one that makes you feel the most like a Hero, or like you're making a difference. So for me that's five stories down and three left to go, Smuggler, Trooper, and Agent. All three are in the 3rd chapter so it's just whenever I feel like slogging through Belsavis and Voss.
Speaking of stories, I finished up the Jedi Knight one yesterday. On the whole I think it's one of the better ones, but then I was consistent in my Dark Side choices so that probably made it play out a lot better than if I had gone all goody-two-shoes. Out of all the stories I've seen through from start to finish, it's definitely the one that makes you feel the most like a Hero, or like you're making a difference. So for me that's five stories down and three left to go, Smuggler, Trooper, and Agent. All three are in the 3rd chapter so it's just whenever I feel like slogging through Belsavis and Voss.
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This is how I feel too. Leaving aside the business model for a moment, it would take a great deal of effort and expense to get the game back on track. I've been back and played briefly twice since I stopped playing 4 or 5 months after release. While initially it feels great to be back in the Star Wars universe, after a week or so you start to come across all the issues that made you quit in the first place.
In many ways the first 10 hours or so of SWTOR reminded me of the first 10 hours or so of Age of Conan: Everything's great till you leave Tortage, then it rapidly turns to stale samey blandness.
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Gecko, what makes it into a huge failure in my eyes is the wrong choices at every friggin step of the way, from picking an engine that apparently cant do the stuff a star wars game should do, not having vehicles for multiple players while the game they otherwise copied had it (and a combat walker is kinda cooler then a mammoth with a second saddle), all the way and too many to list to the final in the coffin: instead of keeping the base line as free to play and offer new advantages for subs, they nickel and dime non-subs and alienate returning players that check it out by offering them much less then they had when the game came out. I said it before in this thread but they would get microtransactions money from me if I would get the game I leveled through for free, but its just not worth the $15 while I play a like 4 other games concurrently, and their idea of F2P drives players like me away instead of luring me in.
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My first disapointment with STWOR was in beta. I rushed to level 15 to get my ship, thinking I would go into space and explore. But instead got a space rail game I have never liked in any form. Rail games suck.
But I still really enjoyed the rest of the game at that point and bought the game. The first month was fun, but suddenly one day the game's problems were too much and I cancelled.
SWTOR has some good points. But it just not enough to make me pay for it.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/01...d-of-it-after/
Greg Zeschuk on leaving BioWare: 'You just get tired of it after a while'
by Jef Reahard on Jan 29th 2013 8:30AM
When BioWare docs Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka announced their departure from the gaming giant they founded last September, theories as to why ranged from fan negativity to Star Wars: The Old Republic's performance to simple burnout.
In a new interview with Polygon, Zeschuk says in his case it boiled down to a lack of passion. "I just wasn't as into it as I was originally," he said.
"Everything's a factor," Zeschuk continued. "There's nothing that's not a factor, but there's no single one thing. I think the best way I can describe is: Do the same thing for twenty years and it's very, very intense. It's very high pressure. It's very high stress. It's challenging. It's sometimes rewarding and sometimes it's not. And you just get tired of it after awhile. That is probably the easiest way to for me to describe it. Sometimes you just need to change things."
Greg Zeschuk on leaving BioWare: 'You just get tired of it after a while'
by Jef Reahard on Jan 29th 2013 8:30AM
When BioWare docs Greg Zeschuk and Ray Muzyka announced their departure from the gaming giant they founded last September, theories as to why ranged from fan negativity to Star Wars: The Old Republic's performance to simple burnout.
In a new interview with Polygon, Zeschuk says in his case it boiled down to a lack of passion. "I just wasn't as into it as I was originally," he said.
"Everything's a factor," Zeschuk continued. "There's nothing that's not a factor, but there's no single one thing. I think the best way I can describe is: Do the same thing for twenty years and it's very, very intense. It's very high pressure. It's very high stress. It's challenging. It's sometimes rewarding and sometimes it's not. And you just get tired of it after awhile. That is probably the easiest way to for me to describe it. Sometimes you just need to change things."
Yeah the FTP model they have in place is garbage. I tried it and was like man im actually am enjoying myself so just resubbed , fuck putting up with aforementioned problems. Though i did drop some cash and just bought account wide inv space and one extra cargo bay account wide. Dont have to grind dailes to make cash for said upgrades cause i hate that shit. Just queue for FP here and there on my Healer and enjoy myself for a few hours here and there. Only reason i quit playing , was there just wasnt any people to do FP/Raids with and the ones that i did a few with were fucking retards that needed custom UIs or things flashing across the screen to move. So i left and waited till those cry baby fucks left and came back to play with people that actually enjoy the game and not hate cause they are just whiny fucks.
Sadly , these whiny fucks dictate the success of games now. That is fucking pathetic and damaging to any new MMO coming out. They will fill message boards with these cunt drippings of text and people read it and get discouraged to even try the game. Look at The Secret World , game is a blast to play and people just filled boards with sentences upon sentences of fucking childish crying. Game came out and there was actually praise but lo and behold the cunt drippings blotted it out.All games have its downsides , EQ had a fuck ton of them , but people that played it and enjoyed the fuck out of it. Why , because there wasnt that many cunt fucks with PCs. Different story now.
Sorry for the language , but just gets tiring reading all this fucking crying. Especially comign from people that played UO and EQ , but business is business so these game makers gotta cater to these fucks(WoW) to make a profit for the asshole fucking shareholders.
Sadly , these whiny fucks dictate the success of games now. That is fucking pathetic and damaging to any new MMO coming out. They will fill message boards with these cunt drippings of text and people read it and get discouraged to even try the game. Look at The Secret World , game is a blast to play and people just filled boards with sentences upon sentences of fucking childish crying. Game came out and there was actually praise but lo and behold the cunt drippings blotted it out.All games have its downsides , EQ had a fuck ton of them , but people that played it and enjoyed the fuck out of it. Why , because there wasnt that many cunt fucks with PCs. Different story now.
Sorry for the language , but just gets tiring reading all this fucking crying. Especially comign from people that played UO and EQ , but business is business so these game makers gotta cater to these fucks(WoW) to make a profit for the asshole fucking shareholders.
swtor's fate was sealed long before any public outcry. the game has bigger problems than the engine which frankly has received undue criticism. the developers banked on the creation of alts to drive the game's long-term success, but the problem is that the stories aren't that exciting and there's little variation to warrant visiting the same areas over and over and over. it's basically a solo adventure through lifeless environments and there's no endgame content. i'm actually astounded that some people have been playing this for months.