The Ask Kuriin, A Gay Man, Anything Thread

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iannis

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It seems like one of the biggest perks of being gay would be that you don't have to deal with that kind of shitunless you choose to. Which is a fundamentally different thing than having to deal with that kind of shit becauseboobiesandohgod why am I so weak?.
 

Kuriin

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Last I checked, many fags that aren't fat love sports and don't shave their beard/goatee and like music outside of techno and crap. I bet you identify yourself as "straight-acting", don't you?
 

Khane

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Last I checked, many fags that aren't fat love sports and don't shave their beard/goatee and like music outside of techno and crap. I bet you identify yourself as "straight-acting", don't you?
Can we be honest here Kuriin? We're talking percentages. A large portion of the gay night life involves EDM. But who cares? It's not everyone, we all know that. Stereotypes are born from the actions of the majority. As a hairy bearded straight man I still thank the gay community for a lot of the music I listen to. Like the scissor sisters. That shit is DOPE!
 

Blackyce

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Last I checked, many fags that aren't fat love sports and don't shave their beard/goatee and like music outside of techno and crap. I bet you identify yourself as "straight-acting", don't you?
No, I identify myself and me. I don't put straight acting at all in my personals, I just mention what I look like, what I want and what I like both sexually and socially.

Be happy that many gay men can do that today because it really wasn't that socially acceptable to do that before the late 80's and the Bear Movement.
 

Famm

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By the sound of this I'm guessing Blackyce would wreck Kuriin in a real fight. But he might be all old now too.
 

Kuriin

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In male bisexual and gay culture, a Bear is a large, hairy man who projects an image of rugged masculinity. Bears are one of many LGBT communities with events, codes, and a culture-specific identity.
The term Bear was popularized by Richard Bulger, who, along with his then partner Chris Nelson (1960-2006) founded Bear Magazine in 1987. There is some contention surrounding whether Bulger originated the term and the subculture's conventions. George Mazzei, for example, wrote an article for The Advocate in 1979 called "Who's Who in the Zoo?", that characterized homosexuals as seven types of animals, including bears.[1]


Bears celebrating the 2007 International Bear Rendezvous, an annual gathering of bears and bear-lovers held in San Francisco
Some Bears place importance on presenting a hypermasculine image and may shun interaction with, and even disdain, men who exhibit effeminacy.[2] The Bear concept can function as an identity, an affiliation, and there is ongoing debate in Bear communities about what constitutes a Bear, however a consensus exists that inclusion is an important part of the Bear community.[3][4] In particular, many bear community organizations define inclusiveness as a central value of the movement, such that anyone who supports values such as "having a good attitude to life, friends and helping the local community", is welcome in the Bear community regardless of appearance,[5] although the view that physical characteristics are central to the Bear identity is still seen in many other definitions.[5]
Bears are almost always gay or bisexual men. Increasingly, transgender or transsexual men (trans men) and those who shun labels for gender and sexuality are also included within Bear communities. However, heterosexual men who have Bearish physical traits and are affirming of their gay friends and family (or their gay fans, in the case of a celebrity) may also be informally accorded "honorary" Bear status.[6] A smaller number of lesbians, particularly butch dykes, also participate in Bear culture, referring to themselves with the distinct label of ursula.[7]

The AIDS devastation in San Francisco accelerated the generation gap between older and younger Bear-identified men, peaking in the early 1990s. Some older survivors claim that the current Bear culture has become "shallow and catty," which is also their common criticism of mainstream gay culture. The allegation is that the younger Bear community no longer reflects the culture's original function as a social alternative for primarily rural and blue-collar, traditionally masculine gay men. Moreover, the proliferation of Bear pageants and their title winners ("sash Bears") runs contrary to the early Bear community's identification with and admiration for unself-conscious masculinity
I'm all for guys fucking guys up the butt and all. But, seems like "shunning eliminate men" means straight-acting. Just cause you guys are fat does not mean you are masculine. It means you'll probably die of diabetes or a heart attack or a stroke before anyone else.



edit: Lets be clear that I know many bears and all of them are friends. Hell, I pretty much rode with New Bear Republic during the AIDS/LifeCycle. Love them all. But, this "masculinity" and "blue collar" thing is hilariously shit.
 

Famm

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Er, I don't know Kuriin, I feel like you're misrepresenting his points a bit. Then again I'm getting the impression these older gay dudes also have some attitude towards younger guys who didn't go through the same kinds of bullshit.
 

Kuriin

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Famm, they do. Many older gay men do not like the younger generation because we "did not go through what they went through".
 

OneofOne

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Is this one of those "we didn't go through all the shit we did to gain mainstream acceptance to make it socially acceptable for you youngin's to dance around like fairies in your banana hammocks on the street in the middle of the afternoon" kinda things?
 

Big Phoenix

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Is this one of those "we didn't go through all the shit we did to gain mainstream acceptance to make it socially acceptable for you youngin's to dance around like fairies in your banana hammocks on the street in the middle of the afternoon" kinda things?
Back in my day.....

No one gives a fuck gramps. Unless they have like daddy issues then they would probably fuck.
 

Blackyce

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I'm all for guys fucking guys up the butt and all. But, seems like "shunning eliminate men" means straight-acting. Just cause you guys are fat does not mean you are masculine. It means you'll probably die of diabetes or a heart attack or a stroke before anyone else.
As Famm said, you are completely missing my point. First, I am not equating fat with being masculine and I am not equating fat to being a bear. I am also not shunning effeminate men. Everyone has their place in the gay community but when the bear community first started if you weren't part of the "stereotype crowd", you were shunned and it still happens today. Your wiki entry is severely lacking.

Being a bear wasn't about being fat or trying to be masculine, it was about accepting who you are and not feeling like you have to change how you act and behave in order to fit in and be accepted. As I stated before, part of this was not shaving, part was being overweight but it was mainly just refusing to put aside who you were in order to fit the more feminine and stereotypical qualities to be a part of "the crowd".
 

Kuriin

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My wiki entry is severely lacking? What the fuck are you talking about? You agreed with everything I just said. There is no "stereotype" in the gay community because there are so many categories. You have the effeminate, the bear, the straight-acting, the leather, etc. No one is shunned. I'm sorry to hear that you have this idea in your head. There is, however, a stereotype OF the gay community from people outside -- and that is flamboyancy.


edit: I'm not condemning your choice of being a bear, BTW. I just don't like it when people say they choose to be fat to make it look like they're masculine. If you want to be a bear, then by all means.
 

Kuriin

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Oh right, lisps are definitely stereotypes. But, like effeminate men, that can be genetic. The limp wrist, however...
 

Cad

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My wiki entry is severely lacking? What the fuck are you talking about? You agreed with everything I just said. There is no "stereotype" in the gay community because there are so many categories. You have the effeminate, the bear, the straight-acting, the leather, etc. No one is shunned. I'm sorry to hear that you have this idea in your head. There is, however, a stereotype OF the gay community from people outside -- and that is flamboyancy.


edit: I'm not condemning your choice of being a bear, BTW. I just don't like it when people say they choose to be fat to make it look like they're masculine. If you want to be a bear, then by all means.
He hasn't said anything about bear = fat... where are you getting this?
 

bixxby

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Kuriin, as a gay manosexual, does the thought of barrel chested gorillas up there going at it kinda gross you out?