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I almost responded saying I think Ciders have a similar DV% of carbs as beer but then I realized you're probably talking about carbonation...
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Most of the time the attenuation is similar. Higher/lower depending on force-carbonation and type of yeast.
Hah, I just saw this too... $1B is a shitload of money. I hope the 415 workers get a least a piece of it.
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Tough to say for sure, I can't figure out if that $115MM number is net sales or income (I've seen both terms used in articles). Probably one of the key factors in that valuation is the fact that BP experienced 100% growth over 2014 and with Constellations resources and distribution no reason they can't keep that pace up and then some.
Obviously the next thing you think about when you see a deal like this is what if the craft-beer bubble bursts? Even if a craft beer bubble bursts I think it's going to be all the small players who suffer the most. For a lot of these big craft breweries it is going to take a fundamental shift in consumer preferences to bring them down and that won't be an overnight change.
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Any idea what the sale value vs yearly sales figure for GI was pre purchase? I honestly think they expect gigantic growth.
Honestly, with the near-perfection of flavor duplication the monster-breweries have, it's almost impossible to tell which brewery it comes from. GI's IPA won a GAB Gold Medal and then GI told everyone it was from a ABInbev plant not near Chicago. My guess is there will be a small price drop from Ballast Point (maybe just my wishful thinking!) and the beer will be available in ~40+ states within the next 2 years.
Honestly, with the near-perfection of flavor duplication the monster-breweries have, it's almost impossible to tell which brewery it comes from. GI's IPA won a GAB Gold Medal and then GI told everyone it was from a ABInbev plant not near Chicago. My guess is there will be a small price drop from Ballast Point (maybe just my wishful thinking!) and the beer will be available in ~40+ states within the next 2 years.
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This is what some of the industry analysts point to when they say that the consolidation that is going on is bad for the craft industry. As the acquisitions ramp up production it creates increased demand and shortages for ingredients and components such as barrels that the remaining independent players are ill positioned to navigate. This increases the startup costs for anyone inclined to enter the industry and the cost of experimentation for those already there. It will ultimately lead to a relatively small number of widely distributed brands and a reduction in regional labels. And all of that is apart from the added pressures the big players then exert through their lobbying efforts at the state level.
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As for the beer quality, so far most of these acquisitions haven't had a negative impact on beer quality. The more troubling aspect of these acquisitions is that they have a negative impact on smaller/local breweries in many ways. First is a lot of the InBev brands have engaged in predatory pricing to gain market-share. I am still able to get kegs of GI IPA for cheaper than Budweiser right now.
Another is they can wreck havoc on the resources available to brewers. A couple of examples, now that GI has greatly expanded BCBS production and they have InBev's resources they are buying up every whiskey/bourbon barrel in sight making it difficult for a lot of breweries to start or continue with their own barrel-aging programs. Another is that Elysian now has the buying power to basically buy out and monopolize many hop varieties now. Hop growers are already struggling to keep up with craft beers demand for flavor and aroma variety hops. It takes growers several years to establish crops, if Elysian swoops in and buys up every (for example) Simcoe hop they can find that will have a huge negative impact on many breweries who have beers with an established flavor profile.
Now I'm not saying for a business standpoint you can fault the "big guys" for taking advantage of their economies of scale. But from the perspective of a craft-beer enthusiasts who loves the current culture of craft beer these things are very damaging. This is why I try to avoid these acquired brands and to keep my beer dollar local whenever possible.
Another is they can wreck havoc on the resources available to brewers. A couple of examples, now that GI has greatly expanded BCBS production and they have InBev's resources they are buying up every whiskey/bourbon barrel in sight making it difficult for a lot of breweries to start or continue with their own barrel-aging programs. Another is that Elysian now has the buying power to basically buy out and monopolize many hop varieties now. Hop growers are already struggling to keep up with craft beers demand for flavor and aroma variety hops. It takes growers several years to establish crops, if Elysian swoops in and buys up every (for example) Simcoe hop they can find that will have a huge negative impact on many breweries who have beers with an established flavor profile.
Now I'm not saying for a business standpoint you can fault the "big guys" for taking advantage of their economies of scale. But from the perspective of a craft-beer enthusiasts who loves the current culture of craft beer these things are very damaging. This is why I try to avoid these acquired brands and to keep my beer dollar local whenever possible.
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Their Victory at Sea is my wife's absolutely favorite beer. I really hope they don't fuck it up.
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I see it as a win/win. I was just in San Diego and did a visit at BP and WOW it is one of the best looking breweries I have ever been in. I would also say this purchase along with the recent purchase of Lagunitas is a huge when for us beer lovers as both of these breweries have so many off the wall beers on their list that I hope they start to distribute more of their own variety; they have a lot now but more is better.
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Haven't tried any of the Bruery's 12 Days of Christmas series, so picked this up when I saw it at BevMo
The Bruery | 8 Maids-a-Milking
The Bruery | 8 Maids-a-Milking
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I picked up three.
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2015 Craft Crossing Beer Advent Calendar Comes From Central City Parallel 49 | Beer Me British Columbia
I've had a few from the Central City/Parallel 49 one so far. Jerkface 9000 was delicious. I believe it was a Northwest Wheat Ale. The other was Rock The Bells, which was a sour ale with cranberry flavor. Not sure I'm a fan of sour ales or not, that's actually the first full bottle I've had of one aside from some samples here and there. It was decent. Nowhere near as sour as the others I've sampled before, which was good.
BeerAdvent® Calendar - Craft Beer Importers Canada Inc.
http://snowcasecalendar.com/
2015 Craft Crossing Beer Advent Calendar Comes From Central City Parallel 49 | Beer Me British Columbia
I've had a few from the Central City/Parallel 49 one so far. Jerkface 9000 was delicious. I believe it was a Northwest Wheat Ale. The other was Rock The Bells, which was a sour ale with cranberry flavor. Not sure I'm a fan of sour ales or not, that's actually the first full bottle I've had of one aside from some samples here and there. It was decent. Nowhere near as sour as the others I've sampled before, which was good.