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Gaige

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Except it'll be the opposite Vaclav they'll design it to run at a consistent framerate on Xbone and then maybe give the PS4 some better shadows or some shit. Which probably isn't going to be noticeable outside of game reviews with blown up stills that circle and highlight the improved areas.

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Skyrim just off the top of my head are noticeable between the versions. Even non-sidebyside.
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I guess.

http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head...im-analysis/2/

However it's the shit I'm talking about. Shadows and the "detail" of rocks and shit. I'm still hard pressed to believe anyone playing through can notice the differences. Or if you went into a dark room with Skyrim already loaded and started playing if you could tell which version you were playing.

Their conclusion:

With that in mind though, if you REALLY can't stand the tearing or you just don't feel like waiting for a patch to play the game with faster load times, the PS3 version is still a perfectly playable alternative in the end.

Perfectly playable on either console. Which is my point entirely.
 
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Gaige_sl said:
So are you saying that you can play a current gen game side by side and notice the visual improvements? You had mentioned earlier that even in this current gen there are differences among cross platform games.
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Dude, there are entire websites dedicated to the many, many differences. Including shit where one game will run at 30 FPS on one console and 20 fps on another.
 
Gaige

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I'm aware, I just linked one. Their conclusion, regarding Skyrim, was that it wasperfectly playableon either console. The differences were minor at best, mostly involving shadow quality and shit like that. Woop ti do.
 
Lenas

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Sean, shut up. None of that matters to 90% of consumers. Yes there are websites like Lens of Truth that literally put graphics under a magnifying glass to show differences, but when you're playing one completely separate from the other in a normal situation, the differences are irrelevant in most cases and imperceptible in many. You should know for a fact that developers are going to program to the lowest common denominator because they are going to release multi platform and you are fuckingretardedif you think they will release two obviously different experiences.
 
Vaclav

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Those cases I listed there Gaige actually have 15-20 fps dips on the LCD of this generation (PS3). They didn't make sure the LCD was 30+ fps first, they let the LCD have frame rate dips into uncomfortable ranges.

Yes, minor fidelity differences like Skyrim aren't a huge deal to me either, but the fact that until literally 18 months of patching it was (and still rarely does) get into single digit framerate on PS3 rather disproves your "LCD will always be 30+ fps or so" theorem.
 
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Skyrim notwithstanding, was that a problem with a lot of cross platform titles? Even if it was how much of it can you attribute to how different the architectures were? I just do not see developers designing a cross platform game and not making the base version for the LCD and then adding shit to the "better" system later. It's what we've consistently seen on the PC landscape forever. In fact outside of Nvidia Physx most graphic options in PC games attribute to draw distance and resolution. Game looks great on this shitty card, it looks great with better shadows and cleaner edges on this $1k card!
 
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Gaige, stop thread shitting. This has been rehashed over and over and you are dead fucking wrong. Get the fuck out of this thread or stop shitting it up. Every single time you post everyone here tells you what an idiot you are and no one wants to see your shit.
 
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Sean_sl said:
Gaige, stop thread shitting. This has been rehashed over and over and you are dead fucking wrong. Get the fuck out of this thread or stop shitting it up. Every single time you post everyone here tells you what an idiot you are and no one wants to see your shit.
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Hmm.

Should read this:

Lenas_sl said:
Sean, shut up. None of that matters to 90% of consumers. Yes there are websites like Lens of Truth that literally put graphics under a magnifying glass to show differences, but when you're playing one completely separate from the other in a normal situation, the differences are irrelevant in most cases and imperceptible in many. You should know for a fact that developers are going to program to the lowest common denominator because they are going to release multi platform and you are fuckingretardedif you think they will release two obviously different experiences.
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Disagreeing with you isn't thread shitting you fucking freak. Stop power tripping and let the discussion about the next generation consoles happen. You're a fucking jackass threatening me with your bullshit because my opinion is fucking different. It's a goddamn message board, opinions vary.

You can spout all the spec shit you want but you can't fucking prove that games will look/play better on PS4 for two reasons:

1) The fucking systems aren't out yet
2) The PC landscape has never worked the way you say Xbone/PS4 will work.

You started this fucking discussion by quoting me saying Microsoft was reversing all the shit that pissed people off about the Xbone reveal and going on about how the hardware differences can't be changed. If you don't want discussion on the subject maybe your crazy ass shouldn't bring it up.

PS - better threaten Lenas too. Disagreeing with you in this forum, how dare he!
 
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People bitch about your shit posting in IRC all day long. Not just me, a whole fucking section of this forum does. So if you keep it up, I will remove you, because I am tired of hearing the complaints about you.
 
Gaige

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Remove me for responding to a topic you brought up. Seems legit.

I don't go to the IRC channel so the opinions of the users there don't matter to me. I frequent this board.
 
Vaclav

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Gaige_sl said:
Remove me for responding to a topic you brought up. Seems legit.

I don't go to the IRC channel so the opinions of the users there don't matter to me. I frequent this board.
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Well you were claiming it never happened before - examples were presented that it has - and you've now fallen back on the "it might not, we can't tell the future". Which while potentially accurate, should result in you shutting the fuck up about it because no one knows the future, we can demonstrate history - and we can demonstrate developer comments that they're leery of the X1 hardware being "harder to develop for" (because of ESRAM largely I'd wager although never seen it explicitly expounded upon).

But there's nothing more to go on about if you think it won't happen, we will and we have history on our side as well as dev comments - but who knows what the future will hold. You hope it won't turn out that way, history is against you but historical trends sometimes end - discussion over. Shut the fuck up.

We can revisit this in 2014 once we've got a few titles to compare.
 
Lenas

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I may shit on Sean once in a while but at least I'm open to a change of opinions with a well reasoned argument. People might be more receptive if you made your points like an adult and didn't say fuck every fifth word, or if you didn't attack a poster instead of a their opinion.
 
Vaclav

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Lenas_sl said:
I may shit on Sean once in a while but at least I'm open to a change of opinions with a well reasoned argument. People might be more receptive if you made your points like an adult and didn't say fuck every fifth word, or if you didn't attack a poster instead of a their opinion.
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Heh, this was the last time I'm talking to Gaige on the subject, figured I'd end it with a bang. His evasive crap is annoying and eventually fell down to "the unknown future" which is something that can't be argued either way.
 
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CONSOLE WARS!!!!

Most of us agree the PS4 is clearly the better system in just about every aspect, I still doubt we will see a significant difference in graphical performance. Especially when it comes to 3rd party games.

I would love to be proven wrong though.
 
Vaclav

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Thorne_sl said:
CONSOLE WARS!!!!

Most of us agree the PS4 is clearly the better system in just about every aspect, I still doubt we will see a significant difference in graphical performance. Especially when it comes to 3rd party games.

I would love to be proven wrong though.
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I think personally most of the differences should end up like LensOfTruth.com minutiae - but history isn't on the side of that being accurate. I agree that ideally they do it the "right way" and make X1 good and PS3 awesome though, I'm just a pessimist about it occurring that way.
 
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http://www.gametrailers.com/side-mis...le-wsj-reports

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Google is developing an Android powered video game console, according to "people familiar with the matter." The report also mentions that the company is developing a digital wrist watch using Android, hoping that both devices will compete against Apple's future hardware.

The popularity of Android games compared to traditional console gaming has grown tremendously, signalling the development of Android devices. According to WSJ's sources, Google's game console development is a reaction based on the company's prediction that Apple will be releasing its own video game console when it introduces the next Apple TV. The report also mentions that Google has also been studying the launch of the Ouya, another Android gaming console that was released earlier this week at a price of $99.

Google is looking to design and market the game console and watch themselves, with at least one of them being released this fall.
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Vaclav

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Can't imagine Android low-entry stuff ever coming up to "real gaming" levels though.
 
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Thorne_sl said:
CONSOLE WARS!!!!

Most of us agree the PS4 is clearly the better system in just about every aspect, I still doubt we will see a significant difference in graphical performance. Especially when it comes to 3rd party games.

I would love to be proven wrong though.
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I agree. My best friend had a Ps3 this generation, I had an Xbox 360. We both pretty much bought many of the same games (stuff like FIFA, NCAA football, Assassins Creed, Dark Souls, Red Dead Redemption. GTA4) and I could never tell any perceivable difference playing at his house on his PS3 vs my house on the 360. Maybe if you had the systems side by side, paused the games, and really dissected it you might see some differences, but I couldn't discern hardly any after playing my game for dozens of hours and then playing the same on his PS3. Al that being said, we pretty much play all FPS games(Battlefield, Crysis, Far Cry, etc) and RPGs (Skyrim, Oblivion, Witcher 2,etc) on our PCs, so our real comparison is mostly just sports games and console exclusives(or games that are on console first that we don't want to wait for PC like the Assassins Creed games and Dark Souls)

I honestly just don't expect that to change much with the new generation. The hardware of the two new systems is now even closer in design than things were last generation.

All that said, I'll probably be going Sony this time around, but mainly just because of the cost. If both systems were the same price, I'd probably stick with XBox
 
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