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Sean_sl said:
There's pretty big differences between RDR on the X360 and PS3.
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http://www.lensoftruth.com/head2head...-redemption/2/

Without stronger numbers to support the performance section, we believe both consoles ran at around 30 frames a second with almost no screen tearing, and some small frame drops. However, the analyzer would not have realized that more shrubs equates to the Xbox 360 pushing out more polys. So even though both consoles ran at the same rate, the Xbox 360 proved to be doing more work. The PlayStation 3 won the category for load times, however the Xbox 360 won the graphics category. This results in the Xbox 360 winning this Head2Head for Red Dead Redemption. Once again we did not have a perfect console here.Each console had its pros and cons but in no way could either console be considered a loser here, nor an unplayable version. Look at it this way: Is a game that loads 2-5 seconds slower unplayable? How about a game that has less brush on the ground? And even though the Xbox 360 had higher resolution, the PlayStation 3 used the lower resolution to blur shadows better and give better depth of field. It's just that when it comes down to it, the Xbox 360 was able to push out more polys resulting in more brush, filling the scene more. Our advice is to get the game, not matter which console, and have fun in the Old West and thank Rockstar for making a kick butt westerner.
 
Vaclav

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That's a pretty large difference to me Gaige - and I'm partially color blind. Stuff like the difference in ground cover being the biggest difference, but even looks like 360 has AA while PS3 does not.
 
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Thanks for posting the link that proves exactly my point, Gaige. Might as well link the Mass Effect 3 one while you're at it.

I never said the Xbone versions will be unplayable, just that there will be very noticeable differences like Resolution and extra frills (RDR) and FPS (ME3).
 
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The conclusions they draw are the same that I've been talking about. You get better shadows and extra shrubs. Nothing that is particularly noticeable and nothing that makes the Xbone version shittier to play.

My contention has always been that gamers don't care about those differences. They're not meaningful enough to affect a purchasing decision.
 
Gaige

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Side by side stills? Sure. Playing the game? Not really. Joeboo just posted that he played both versions and didn't notice anything different enough to warrant a console purchase either way?
 
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The point is you will forever have theinferiorversion that you paid $100 more in hardware for. The PS4 will be like that, at absolute minimum, in every single cross platform game and likely as developers get used to the hardware the gap will widensignificantly.

Will the Xbone versions be unplayble? No. But they will always be worse and you are going to be stuck with the knowledge that you have the worst possible version of the game. For me, that is not something that I could ever accept.
 
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Sean_sl said:
For me, that is not something that I could ever accept.
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I understand your opinion. I'm just not convinced it translates to the market in general. Sure it's an inferior version, in regards to shadows and shrubs, but to most people who don't read reviews or look at side by side stills it's the same game. Not only that both the Xbone and the PS4 are 10x more powerful than the current gen so consumers who choose the Xbone will still be getting a substantial graphics upgrade.

I'm just not sure the hardware difference is the negative you think it will be. Microsoft has shown that they're more than willing to reverse shitty decisions and if they keep this current course for the next six months there might not be a clear cut winner going into launch.

That's all I'm saying.
 
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Gaige_sl said:
I understand your opinion. I'm just not convinced it translates to the market in general. Sure it's an inferior version, in regards to shadows and shrubs, but to most people who don't read reviews or look at side by side stills it's the same game. Not only that both the Xbone and the PS4 are 10x more powerful than the current gen so consumers who choose the Xbone will still be getting a substantial graphics upgrade.

I'm just not sure the hardware difference is the negative you think it will be. Microsoft has shown that they're more than willing to reverse shitty decisions and if they keep this current course for the next six months there might not be a clear cut winner going into launch.

That's all I'm saying.
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The $100 difference & manufacturing problems/shortage has killed it out of the gate, regardless of all the other shit and they aren't/can't reverse that. The PS4 is killing it in pre-orders and is going to blow it away at launch no matter what and nothing can or will stop that at this point. Even if the negativity let up, Microsoft can't meet more demand than there is right now anyways and Sony is likely going to sell out itsorder of magnitude higher pre-order allocations. So the PS4 is going to build a bigger community far faster which is going to severely damage the Xbone right off.

That $100 difference is seriously going to hit them in the balls come the holiday rush.

And the power difference matters right *here* to us hardcore gamers who want the best shit possible. Sony is also going to market it that way and it's going to make a difference long term when the marketing machine is in full effect. Thus far they've proven competent at it while Microsoft is one gigantic clusterfuck that keeps desperately trying to play catch up.
 
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Btw, again (I don't want this to get lost in the shuffle) for people interested in Nerdy Shit, I highly recommend watching this:



I recommend watching/listening to the whole thing if you can, Cerny is interesting to listen to. He comes off as very nerdy, but also really down to earth and he details out his career and how he came to be the PS4 lead engineer. He starts getting into how they proceeded with the PS4 design about 30 minutes in (it transitions from the PS3 to PS4, so start about there) if you want to skip ahead to that.
 
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Console gamers readily accept the fact that they have the worst version of the game, when games are released for both PC and console. If console gamers can accept the massive graphics disparity from PC to console and be perfectly happy with their console, the much much smaller disparity between the 2 consoles is insignificant by comparison. If all console gamers were concerned about was which system can draw 20% more grass blades on the ground, they'd be PC gamers.

Personally, I was always generally unhappy with the graphics of both the 360 and PS3, I just had to accept the fact that I needed one or the other to play console-exclusive games. I never noticed a difference between the two consoles, they each looked equally shitty coming from a PC and I don't expect the new systems to be much different.
 
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Yeah not buying that Sean can't live with lower graphics in a game when he is choosing console over PC.

That is 100% hypocrisy and absolutely bullshit to be hating on someone that will choose the console they like the best.
 
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But they don't "readily accept" that shit, not really. Maybe you have a shitty memory, but I don't. I remember for the first few years this generation that it did matter to people that X360 versions of games performed better, often significantly so. The PS3 was a more expensive piece of hardware with worse games and that mattered to gaming communities. People would buy the X360 versions because they were better and their friends would buy them to play with them. FoH was heavily slanted to buying X360 games over PS3 games on everything except Fighters (because fuck the X360 controller's d-pad).
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Yeah not buying that Sean can't live with lower graphics in a game when he is choosing console over PC.

That is 100% hypocrisy and absolutely bullshit to be hating on someone that will choose the console they like the best.
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That would entirely depend on his PC wouldn't it? Do we know his PC is beastly? And regardless some things like control scheme and being more sensible to play from a couch can outweigh PC vs. Console differences.
 
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a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Yeah not buying that Sean can't live with lower graphics in a game when he is choosing console over PC.

That is 100% hypocrisy and absolutely bullshit to be hating on someone that will choose the console they like the best.
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The vast majority of my game library is console only or games with significantly delayed PC releases. You're welcome to count through my many, many hundreds of games if you wish to say otherwise. I also have PC versions of multiplayer shooters for games for when I care about playing with other people. The few console+PC games that I do have (that aren't delayed releases) I have the best Console version of for collection purposes, because even if I don't have the absolute best version, I don't want the absolute worst version.
 
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joeboo_sl said:
Console gamers readily accept the fact that they have the worst version of the game, when games are released for both PC and console. If console gamers can accept the massive graphics disparity from PC to console and be perfectly happy with their console, the much much smaller disparity between the 2 consoles is insignificant by comparison. If all console gamers were concerned about was which system can draw 20% more grass blades on the ground, they'd be PC gamers.
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So yeah, I never had this gen of console (ps3 or xbox). I just bought a ps3 for Last of Us because I figured I could play all the console exclusives that I've missed and wanted to play. I was really pumped when the UPS guy dropped everything off but I was instantly disappointed with the huge amount of aliasing / white flickering in LoU. I can't imagine how bad the older games will look. Guess I'm just spoiled at this point.
 
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