The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !

Vertical stand included this time? They've started to show alot of stuff with it and really looks pretty like that. (Although with previous cat issues.... probably won't stand it regardless)

Sean_sl said:

Smaller than I thought:http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/06/28...e-and-personal

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I honestly don't care about the size of a console. I would much rather it be bigger and have proper cooling then smaller and cram too much shit in limited space. Fucking xbone looks like a VCR and the PS4 looks like a fucking panini press. The designers suck.

X X E X X_sl said:

I guess someone read this forum, it almost seems perfectly directed at Sean and Gaige.

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so he basically called every single of his customers a dumbass who doesn't know anything about hardware.

He's probably right.

Abefroman_sl said:

So many fucking unpaid salesman in this thread lol.

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So many apologists in this thread

The XBox is huge. Are they including the brick in there and if not, what could be the justification for the size?

Overboard cooling to avoid Red Rings Syndrome?

Braen_sl said:

The XBox is huge. Are they including the brick in there and if not, what could be the justification for the size?

Overboard cooling to avoid Red Rings Syndrome?

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Yeah, looks like they went with a big ass 140mm fan on the heatsink

Tuco_sl said:

What's funny is that it's not really that complicated to understand the hardware differences between the two consoles. The only question is how many developers will bother tweaking their games to make use of the differences between the xbone and the ps4.

The ps4 is more powerful, but whether the ps4 has better load times and visual quality than the xbone is yet to be seen. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

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What's funny is that just running stuff on the PS4 (without huge optimizations) should be better than the Xbone due to the extra work they need to do to even get shit going on the Xbone's eSRAM while they can just run everything full throttle through the memory on the PS4 (the PS4's GDDR5 having latency to work around was debunked, due to how the hardware is setup and not having to deal with an extra memory controller). There's some great explanations on this in Cerny's videos. Sony considered the other way with hardwarefarsuperior to the Xbone's setup with1 TB/seDRAM (most recent Xbone numbers are 133 GB/s real world performance on their eDRAM, 196 GB/s "theoretical") and decided that even though youmightbe able do some cool shit down the road with optimizing for it, overall the very straight forward memory they went with would be better.

Really, some stuff should just run better without doing much, if any, extra work like loading, smoothness of animations, and you'll probably see shit where Xbone versions are running at 900p to the PS4's 1080p. Coupled with the upwards of 50% more powerful GPU there's potentially the ability to just turn on extra stuff in the engines or move sliders up like you would on a PC game for better hardware. None of that requires some significant amount of time and effort to make happen.

The "real" optimizations further down the line for the PS4 come from the custom work they did on the bus and GPU that lets you offload a ton of shit to the GPU's compute units. Cerny talked about how that's where people will be really pushing the PS4's extra power from a couple years down the line.

Copy Pasting my post from the FC3 thread into here, because I think it's relevant to the next generation of game development.


Blood Dragon has sold over 500k, fuck yeah:http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/a...-in-sales.aspx

Let's hope Ubisoft does more shit like this and lets these guys make more crazy stand alone 15 dollar games. This game was clearly made by children of the 80s, for children of the 80s and it was awesome.

Also, I think it's a pretty good way to make money. Make your big games and then basically release $10-20 dollar mods of them done by a small team as little cool stand alone games. Profit. This also boosted their sales of Far Cry 3 itself. This is potentially amuchbetter model than DLC (though I love good DLC). I imagine it also gives your developers something to do in between big projects as well and you can get a lot more mileage out of all the money you dumped into a game's engine. It seems to me like it could be good way to boost revenue for AAA teams while curbing costs.

For reference, Far Cry 3 sold 4.5 million units as of February.

Laedrun_sl said:

Yeah, looks like they went with a big ass 140mm fan on the heatsink

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LOL at that fan.... Is that gonna be slow as shit or we gonna have jet engine syndrome?

My case has 3 massive 230mm fans. They only run around 500-1000 RPM though, so it's a very quiet system.
Rosewill Thor V2 if anyone cares.

My case is black, but this picture really shows off how large these fans are.

Yea, looks similar to my case - but as stated they're SLLLLLLOOOOOOWWWWW to be quiet.

Yeah, I doubt the Xbone will be loud at all if it's using a fan that big unless they have to spin it at a really high RPM to cool it, which they probably shouldn't have to do given the power consumption and speeds of the AMD APU stuff.

ps4's power supply is internal, so no brick will be needed. sounds so far like xbox will continue with the brick.

i doubt we'd see xbox games drop to 900p, they will just tweak frame rates instead. Even the xbone should be able to do 1080p30 games easy, hopefully everything tries for 1080p60 though.

http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/06/2...-64-free-games

Well don't I feel like a fucken idiot sticking with Xbox live for so long...

The free games offered on PSN plus through the first year are as follows:

Anomaly Warzone Earth (PSN)
BioShock 2 (PS3)
BlazBlue: Continuum Shift Extend (PS Vita)
BloodRayne Betrayal (PSN)
Borderlands (PS3)
Choplifter HD (PSN)
Chronovolt (PS Vita)
Closure (PSN)
Darksiders (PS3)
Demon?s Souls (PS3)
Disgaea 3: Absence of Detention (PS Vita)
Double Dragon Neon (PSN)
Dungeon Defenders (PSN)
Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions (PSP)
Foosball 2012 (PSN/PS Vita)
Germinator (PS Vita)
Gotham City Imposters (PSN)
Gravity Rush (PS Vita)
Guardians of Middle-Earth (PSN)
Hard Corps: Uprising (PSN)
Infamous 2 (PS3)
Jet Set Radio (PSN)
Joe Danger 2: The Movie (PSN)
Just Cause 2 (PS3)
King of Fighters XIII (PS3)
Knytt Underground (PSN/PS Vita)
Labyrinth Legends (PSN)
Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light (PSN)
LittleBigPlanet 2 (PS3)
Malicious (PSN)
Mega Man 9 (PSN)
Mega Man 10 (PSN)
Mega Man: Maverick Hunter X (PSP)
NBA Jam: On Fire Edition (PSN)
NFL Blitz (PSN)
Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus (PS Vita)
Outland (PSN)
Pac-Man CE DX (PSN)
PayDay: The Heist (PSN)
Pinball Arcade (PSN/PS Vita)
Plants vs. Zombies (PS Vita)
Quantum Conundrum (PSN)
Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One (PS3)
Renegade Ops (PSN)
Resident Evil 5 (PS3)
Retro City Rampage (PSN/PS Vita)
Rochard (PSN)
Saints Row 2 (PS3)
Scott Pilgrim vs. The World: The Game (PSN)
Sideway: New York (PSN)
Sleeping Dogs (PS3)
Spec Ops: The Line (PS3)
Super Street Fighter IV (PS3)
Tales From Space: Mutant Blobs Attack (PS Vita)
The Cave (PSN)
The Walking Dead: The Game (PSN)
Tekken 6 (PSP)
Uncharted: Golden Abyss (PS Vita)
Vanquish (PS3)
Virtual Fighter 5: Final Showdown (PSN)
Warhammer 40k: Space Marine (PS3)
WipeOut 2048 (PSN/PS Vita)
Zombie Apocalypse: Never Die Alone (PSN)
Zombie Tycoon II: Brainhov?s Revenge (PSN/PS Vita)
By our math, the Instant Game Collection over the last year has provided subscribers with $1,043 in free games, more than 20 times the cost of a subscription for that year. Pretty impressive.

Heh - and that's just assuming a US PS+ sub at that - I've not bothered going through the hoops for a EU or JP one, but apparently you can access all 3 PS+ even on the same console if you care to (although JP isn't in english most people only do EU and US). Games don't have that much overlap between EU and US - and theirs tends to be better than ours.

(July for EU is gonna be - Battlefield 3, Saint's Row 3 [we just got], Payday: The Heist [we had last year], Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus [Vita], Unit 13 [Vita])

X X E X X_sl said:

I guess someone read this forum, it almost seems perfectly directed at Sean and Gaige.

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To be honest, that reads to me as 'Yes, the PS4 specs blow us out of the water and we have nothing to counter that other than marketing spin'.

spronk_sl said:

ps4's power supply is internal, so no brick will be needed. sounds so far like xbox will continue with the brick.

i doubt we'd see xbox games drop to 900p, they will just tweak frame rates instead. Even the xbone should be able to do 1080p30 games easy, hopefully everything tries for 1080p60 though.

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Yeah, they should be able to. But, developers cut corners with resolution all the time to make up for performance. Look at the X360/PS3 and how half the games run sub HD and at 540p and other odd resolutions below 720p. They can't get all the shit they put in to work at a higher resolution, so they cut resolution down to improve frame rate. I have little doubt that there will be Xbone games that do this and more than likely be PS4 games that do it too.

I'd like to think that no one would cut corners like that, but I think that this last generation has taught us that people are totally willing to do such things no matter how big the title and no matter how much money is behind the game. Just look at the god awful resolutions that CoD, which has more money behind it than god, runs at.

DMK: Yeah, wish I had gotten in on it earlier than I did. There's a few on there that I'd love to have gotten in on that I wouldn't have bought otherwise or hand't bought yet (mostly PSN stuff). I can't wait to see what Sony does with it on the PS4. Also, the Euro list is even better.

Fucking Euros.