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Tuco_sl said:
I never thought of GTAV being a parody. No more than Twinkies are a parody of the USA and diabetus.
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I disagree in a way. I think its a parody of how pop culture views Americans through the lens of movies and entertainment. I don't think the average american at all has the views expressed in GTA V. However, if you look at popular movies, video games, then yes, its definitely a parody of that. Or is that what you meant?
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Its parody and satire because it takes our worst characteristics, and exaggerates them for effect, basically. Illustrating absurdity by being absurd but in an exaggerated fashion. It takes our tropes and memes and creates an entire surreal mirror copy of our world. Look, for instance, at these GTA 5 political ads





Notice how they utilize words and sentiments expressed in real political ads, things like the Sue Murray ad starts "Tiny brained conservative Jock Cranley is at it again!" but they take it to its most extreme point for dramatic effect.

They take a commonly used political ad trope, something I know I've seen a million times (Such and such politician is AT IT AGAIN) and throws in actual slander. Basically saying what politicians would say if they thought they could get away with it in our society.

GTA didn't start veering fully into the parody and satire realm until Vice City, which was a parody of Miami Vice and the 80s. Then San Andreas satirized the early 90s gangwars culture. GTA 4 took itself too seriously, but even it was a parody with Niko's constant bitching and moaning about killing people on the one hand, while simultaneously going out in the streets and massacring cops and civilians by the boatloads.

Elerion: You nailed it buddy. Great post. Getting a plus from me if I haven't plussed you yet.
 
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Tuco_sl said:
I never thought of GTAV being a parody. No more than Twinkies are a parody of the USA and diabetus.
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Coffee on my monitor now... lol.

I don't have a problem with trannies, but am i the only one who thinks that if you look like a dude in a wig maybe you should try harder or not get offended when someone stumbles on your gender during introductions? I know issues like this are super sensitive on the internet right now, but cmon!
 
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Black comedians take the piss out of white people in the crowd all the time. Yet this fucken she man wants to have a cry because he said a joke. She/he needs to grow the fuck up. She/he clearly loves attention but then gets upset because she stood out enough to be mentioned by a comedian. You want to stand out? Then take the good with the bad.
 
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Thread fell to page 2...can't have that happen so let's open up this can of worms again:

Why aren't PS4 and Xbox One titles hitting 1080p? What's happened to 4K?
Why aren't PS4 and Xbox One titles hitting 1080p? What's happened to 4K? - Developer Tech

interesting tidbit
Both consoles use 8GB of RAM; but the difference is in the varied types of implementation. Sony's PlayStation 4 uses fast GDDR5 RAM which is a well-understood and relatively simple option; allowing textures to be stored in advance with a max throughput of 176GB/s. Microsoft went with DDR3 - but with an additional 32MB of the more CPU efficient (but lesser-known) ESRAM - which combined can theoretically top out at an even faster 204GB/s.

Yet when PS4 titles such as Killzone: Shadow Fall are using 800MB for render targets alone; how difficult will it be for developers to work with just 32MB of fast memory for similar functions?

At Microsoft's BUILD event this year; the team showed the hardware based tiled resources support added in DX11.2. Without going into all the technical talk, that's available here, 3GBs of textures were able to be stored in 16MB of RAM.

It was previously thought that the ESRAM and DDR3 couldn't be accessed simultaneously; this turned out to be false - as seen in an article with DigitalFoundry.

But there are pure GPU specs themselves to account for; the PS4 utilises 18 compute units, whilst the Xbox One uses 12 (although has 14, two are left redundant for 'balancing'.) In a test, using similar PC hardware; the PS4 resulted in an average 24% improvement in game frame rates.

It's this 'balancing' which Microsoft say they've worked tirelessly on getting perfect; which results will (or will not) be seen in time. The Xbox, in September, bumped the CPU speed in their console to 1.75 GHz - whilst the PS4 is (thought) to be at 1.6GHz.

Alongside the DDR3 RAM which should have less of a load on the CPU than the PS4's GDDR5; Microsoft has also added innovative audio hardware dubbed SHAPE (Scalable Hardware Audio Processing Engine) - which should do a fantastic job for HD surround (a task that sucks up lots of CPU time on current-gen consoles.)

Once developers get used to the Xbox One's quirks; it looks like the battle is still very much on between both camps. Whether PS4's GPU prowess, or Xbox's (potentially) faster CPU speed gives any real-world advantage is yet to be seen - but titles on both consoles should soon be hitting native 1080p/60FPS. The real question is, what about 4k?
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4K was *never* going to happen with these specs, not even remotely possible.

Also totally pointless anyways. At least at this point in time.
 
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True that it won't be on consoles, but most mid-range PCs should be able to handle 4K-level graphics within a couple years. Right now only the bleeding-edge of gaming hardware can handle it well, but that bleeding edge hardware will be quite affordable in a couple years.

I actually am looking forward to gaming graphics really pushing the envelope of PC hardware again, things have been pretty stagnant for quite a while thanks to this current console generation lasting SO long.
 
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Well, like people have been chiming in on this thread all along (though they use it totally wrong and in an inappropriate context) - lulz they won't develop for anything but the lowest common denominator!

High-res texture packs wereexceedingly rarein this last generation. Ultra-HD 4k texture packs won't be any more common (especially since almost no one has 4k displays nor will).
 
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Is there /any/ place to still pick up the new next gen consoles? Some friends procrastinated and now they cant find them :p I knew i should have kept my extra orders but oh well. At any rate if its sold out online everywhere il assume they will just need to hit up like a 24hr walmart and hope they have extras.
 
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X X E X X_sl said:
Is there /any/ place to still pick up the new next gen consoles? Some friends procrastinated and now they cant find them :p I knew i should have kept my extra orders but oh well. At any rate if its sold out online everywhere il assume they will just need to hit up like a 24hr walmart and hope they have extras.
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They should try putting an order with Amazon on, I've heard that they're upgrading new pre-orders to launch day on occasion, possibly getting more stock allocation. They won't get charged anything anyways.
 
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hodj_sl said:
Its parody and satire because it takes our worst characteristics, and exaggerates them for effect, basically. Illustrating absurdity by being absurd but in an exaggerated fashion. It takes our tropes and memes and creates an entire surreal mirror copy of our world. Look, for instance, at these GTA 5 political ads





Notice how they utilize words and sentiments expressed in real political ads, things like the Sue Murray ad starts "Tiny brained conservative Jock Cranley is at it again!" but they take it to its most extreme point for dramatic effect.

They take a commonly used political ad trope, something I know I've seen a million times (Such and such politician is AT IT AGAIN) and throws in actual slander. Basically saying what politicians would say if they thought they could get away with it in our society.

GTA didn't start veering fully into the parody and satire realm until Vice City, which was a parody of Miami Vice and the 80s. Then San Andreas satirized the early 90s gangwars culture. GTA 4 took itself too seriously, but even it was a parody with Niko's constant bitching and moaning about killing people on the one hand, while simultaneously going out in the streets and massacring cops and civilians by the boatloads.

Elerion: You nailed it buddy. Great post. Getting a plus from me if I haven't plussed you yet.
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You're right, I agree that GTA is a parody. When I was thinking before I was thinking about the core game and more serious parts of it. In GTA3 when you're free to be a violent maniac that isn't a parody of the violent nature of man / our society, it's part of it. But when hear an ammunation ad that's definitely a parody.
 
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Those are really great articles. Ive never been a massive Sony fan by any means, their products just weren't competitive at the price point. But i really like Yoshida, and Kaz seems like he is doing everything right to turn around the company. Good for them.
 
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"Re-engineering" The Last Guardian? I wonder what it means... I hope it will not end up being a PS3.5 game, as in a PS3 game upgraded to PS4 without making new assets.
 
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