The Elder Scrolls Online
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spronk
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all those reasons are why it really makes no sense at all to buy TESO at launch. shits gonna be buggy, overcrowded, laggy, and because they put 0 thought into "hey wat happens when 100 people try to do this quest" you have a TON of bottlenecks where 50 people are trying to pick a flower or kill a quest mob or apply vagisil to someones weeping vagina. fuck all that, wait a few months, game will be $20 to buy and thats what a month of checking out ES lore is worth. I wouldn't count on a f2p conversion though until 2015 -- console version will be out in summertime, and thats close enough to xmas that it would be dumb for ZO to walk away from a lot of holiday xmas console kiddie sales.
I'm sure though in march 2015 or so you'll see them go f2p, there is absolutely no way they will be able to break the MMO cycle of most people unsubbing after 3-4 months since there is nothing here thats different from rift, tera, tsw, lotro, swtor, etc, etc. but it'll take a year or so to extract the max value before going after the real cheapasses (me).
I'm sure though in march 2015 or so you'll see them go f2p, there is absolutely no way they will be able to break the MMO cycle of most people unsubbing after 3-4 months since there is nothing here thats different from rift, tera, tsw, lotro, swtor, etc, etc. but it'll take a year or so to extract the max value before going after the real cheapasses (me).
I disagree with this on the basis of I enjoyed the fundamental gameplay of WoW, GW2, SWTOR, WAR and Rift more than ESO and in fact would rather go back, even today, and play one of those than play ESO.
As I said a few posts ago, I think the only chance this game would have of being considered good is if it came out around 2004.
give me one good MMO to play and i'll be too busy actually playing that game to post here.
Dr Neir
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Crafting is total crap, seriously not sure what they were thinking. Research on lvl 1 crap takes 6hr, seriously? found another one up in lvls that is 12hr. I have like 13 items I am holding just to research on, i am only lvl 6. WTH!!!?
Gems are used for styles and not rings and other items, this from my understanding cant be made by players or at the least not that I have seen. No Leather skill, its smashed into clothing skill, I am even selling hides and other items that in the description say "Sell to vendor" and not used in any form of crafting. Who the hell does that?
There is a clear difference in love for components, my provisioning is like lvl8 while other crafting is lvl 3. I have been doing more with all the other crafting skill than I do with food,.....so why the hell is it gaining exp like a mad demon?
While I give them props to the trait/style/research idea, they just didnt follow thru on it.
Sad there is nothing else to play at this time, only reason I am still playing. Guessing its best to play something than nothing at this point.
VO for quests arent too bad and can be interesting with some having choices. Watched an NPC get sucked into a hell gate after choosing to give her a set of books. Laughed hard on that one. Some others have been fun, its gotten me to watch closer and let it play more now rather than just clicking thru.
Only thing I am depressed on is the fact it plays and feels close to TES game with option to group with others but sad knowing I wouldn't be getting all those nice add-ons that come with the series later. Sort of feel jipped.
Really hoping things get better crafting wise in higher lvls. Right now its just crap, limited I can understand on low lvl but this crap isnt limited its just plain missing from the game!
Gems are used for styles and not rings and other items, this from my understanding cant be made by players or at the least not that I have seen. No Leather skill, its smashed into clothing skill, I am even selling hides and other items that in the description say "Sell to vendor" and not used in any form of crafting. Who the hell does that?
There is a clear difference in love for components, my provisioning is like lvl8 while other crafting is lvl 3. I have been doing more with all the other crafting skill than I do with food,.....so why the hell is it gaining exp like a mad demon?
While I give them props to the trait/style/research idea, they just didnt follow thru on it.
Sad there is nothing else to play at this time, only reason I am still playing. Guessing its best to play something than nothing at this point.
VO for quests arent too bad and can be interesting with some having choices. Watched an NPC get sucked into a hell gate after choosing to give her a set of books. Laughed hard on that one. Some others have been fun, its gotten me to watch closer and let it play more now rather than just clicking thru.
Only thing I am depressed on is the fact it plays and feels close to TES game with option to group with others but sad knowing I wouldn't be getting all those nice add-ons that come with the series later. Sort of feel jipped.
Really hoping things get better crafting wise in higher lvls. Right now its just crap, limited I can understand on low lvl but this crap isnt limited its just plain missing from the game!
Derpa
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You can learn all the professions to a certain point but only master 2 of them.
People complain about crafting in every MMO I have ever played, and Crafting is the single source for economic shattering bugs in every mmo all the way back to Everquest.
Just give up on the crafting shit, and pour all your resources into the PVE and PVP. You don't even need crafting imo, let those OCD freaks go play games somewhere else because they are never going to be happy anyway.
I Can't remember one book, or story driven single player were the Hero took a break from saving the world for a couple days to make a batch of Sword handles....
Just stop allready
Just give up on the crafting shit, and pour all your resources into the PVE and PVP. You don't even need crafting imo, let those OCD freaks go play games somewhere else because they are never going to be happy anyway.
I Can't remember one book, or story driven single player were the Hero took a break from saving the world for a couple days to make a batch of Sword handles....
Just stop allready
Utnayan
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Spot on bro. This shit is just so fucking old at this point. This genre has to either go a different direction altogether or just go back to olsdchool killing shit for exp and camping out dungeons. Anything is better than this crap. Im done with questing mmos. And this game right here just sealed the coffin for me.
I don't even think Im gonna pick this one up, even for the PvP. Or ill wait for it to go F2P, which undoubtedly it will.
Regime
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Aside from crap that ruined server economies, I felt like the only game you could have played "just for the crafting" was Everquest 2. I have to give props where props are due. Most other MMO's have decent crafting systems. A few have pretty crappy systems though. I couldn't really pass judgement on ESO's crafting, but from what I saw, I didn't like it too much.
It's good to see a handful of you flip floppers are back to hating on the game again though! Congrats! I haven't logged on but this one woman I know said she wanted to give the game a fair shake but she told me the servers are down. Not bad for a 4th weekend!
If any of you play MOBA games, I was on Strife beta quite a bit this weekend. The game was pretty decent tbh.
Completely agree with you. I've never enjoyed crafting in any game and avoid doing it unless I absolutely have to for my character to be viable. Even then I try to avoid it or just do without. I prefer my gear to come from killing stuff and then killing harder stuff to get better stuff. That is what's fun to me not sitting in town afk crafting X1000 rag shirts. Fuck crafting.
How is it still being cock blocked progression wise with a month to go with these weekend tests. OMG this game is sooooo good i cant wait to see what happens after the cock blocking and see if there are more bugged quests and shitty quest rewards and shitty itemization , I CAN NOT FUCKING WAIT to not play this when it releases.Stupid fucking game.......
BubbySoup
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Ok, so I created a healer and thought it'd give that a go....WTF! Not sure what they are trying to achieve with the way they have healing set up. Instead of healing players, it's more a case of standing in the right spot or throwing down an aoe heal in a fixed circle.
Ok now I can see how this could work with pve but fuck doing this in PvP. Granted I haven't actually done any yet, but in every other PvP environment, players tend to run around a hell of a lot more than they do in pve, which makes all your, throw a circle on the floor to heal spells pretty much useless and also means you can't heal from a distance.
Maybe I am missing something as I haven't actually tried PvP yet, I dunno.
Ok now I can see how this could work with pve but fuck doing this in PvP. Granted I haven't actually done any yet, but in every other PvP environment, players tend to run around a hell of a lot more than they do in pve, which makes all your, throw a circle on the floor to heal spells pretty much useless and also means you can't heal from a distance.
Maybe I am missing something as I haven't actually tried PvP yet, I dunno.
Maybe if there was an achievement for lasting two hours in this game, I wouldn't feel so bad about never getting that time back. I don't even know how they managed to take the typical boring newbie starting out shit and make it orders of magnitude worse, but bravo... take a fucking bow.
Caliane
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Traits unlock for "all teirs" I think.
For example. I researched sharpened for great swords.
A level 1 Iron greatsword with sharpened is 5% spell/armor pen. 5 iron ingots, 1 fire opal.
if I add 3 iron to make a level 8 iron greatsword. its 7% spell/armor pen. 8 iron, 1 fire opal.
Granted, it stays 7% up to level 14 and 11 iron... So yeah, if I need to research more, dunno. But I don't see any UI place for that to occur. I think higher teir materials will just naturally increase that %.
What you do need to do is unlock the trait for every single kind of weapon.
Unlocking sharpened for greatswords. only unlocks it for greatswords.
Upgrading at low levels seems really expensive. its far far easier/cheaper to get drops or just buy greens.
Caliane
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Crafting in themepark mmos is almost always just utter crap. It needs to be completely rethought. but no one does it. They just copy the same shit over and over.
Crafting is obviously best in a sandbox mmo. And I don't think I really need to go into why, and how it should exist in one of those.
Its the themeparks, with bind on equip, bind on pickup. And teired progression that fucks it up.
Crafting while leveling in all these games is a joke. You ALWAYS get more and better gear just by questing.
Massively wasted bag space. The crafter is hugely penalized for trying to actual collect materials. nevermind having to buy them from other players to deal with the crafting skill ups. Shit needs to be grounded out every time.
Crafting pretty much always comes down to a time/gold sink for when you hit max level, to prepare for raids/dungeons in these games. And that is pretty fucking retarded.
At best, you may have areas where while leveling, one or two pieces of gear falls behind, and crafted gear lets you at least target what you need specifically.
Crafted styles here is good. one of the flaws with crafting is everything looks the same normally. so thats some variation. GW2 of course had dyes to give a ton of variance.
And, Im going to get to work instead of getting into how to fix crafting in themeparks. ha.
Crafting is obviously best in a sandbox mmo. And I don't think I really need to go into why, and how it should exist in one of those.
Its the themeparks, with bind on equip, bind on pickup. And teired progression that fucks it up.
Crafting while leveling in all these games is a joke. You ALWAYS get more and better gear just by questing.
Massively wasted bag space. The crafter is hugely penalized for trying to actual collect materials. nevermind having to buy them from other players to deal with the crafting skill ups. Shit needs to be grounded out every time.
Crafting pretty much always comes down to a time/gold sink for when you hit max level, to prepare for raids/dungeons in these games. And that is pretty fucking retarded.
At best, you may have areas where while leveling, one or two pieces of gear falls behind, and crafted gear lets you at least target what you need specifically.
Crafted styles here is good. one of the flaws with crafting is everything looks the same normally. so thats some variation. GW2 of course had dyes to give a ton of variance.
And, Im going to get to work instead of getting into how to fix crafting in themeparks. ha.
Caliane
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haha. seriously.
Why does that shit exist?
In the tutorial zone. go click those two orbs on the side of the prison!
... why? I at least expected to get attacked while doing it. But, nope.
Then again, you have to click the two things next to the prophet right? Or am I imagining that from being constantly asked to click random shit like 2 feet away seemingly just to waste time.