Blackwulf
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I'm R7 and still going. I'll put up a thorough review soon, including my criticisms.
The Elder Scrolls Online
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Abefroman
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I'm interested to see what you write about PVP since that was your main draw.
Abefroman
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Or maybe people are looking for something worth leveling. Just because we are hardcore doesn't mean we would do something as fucking stupid as using pto for this game.
Xaxius
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Agreed. Leveling is this game is the most boring exercise I've ever experienced in any MMO. Ever. There is absolutely no challenge whatsoever and the amount of lore/text/voice action shoved into the quests is more sleep inducing than Ambien. PvE-wise, the game is technically solid and has tons of content.
It just isn't fun.
You need to clarify your ranges a bit. Never understood these blanket statements.
FFXI and EvE have also not gone F2P for over a decade and are doing pretty well for themselves. FFXIV 2.0 seems to be headed in the same direction.
I guess the real question anyone wants to know is... will it drop in price faster thanDefiancedid?
Big Flex
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But hitting 'e' on the rock/jewel/scroll/piller/switch kills the boss so you don't have to fight him!
1. PvP blunted a lot of criticism on this forum - it's PC friendly and pretty much a copy paste of GW2. Will the GW2 PvP model work for console kiddies ? I don't see it.
2. I try to think about inventory management in this game on a console - it's just painful.
3. Console kids simply aren't going to pay a monthly sub for this.
Console is the bigger market for them but I can see it failing much more miserably there.
F2P models largely depend on elements of gameplay and emotional attachment to an IP outside of gaming which I just don't see in TESO. Its demise has been a slow burn mitigated by limited solo play enjoyment at one end of the scale and hardcore PvP at the other, but it will probably end up being one of the biggest flops in MMO history. No surprise to anyone as we all saw that coming, but some of their present support and development decisions suggest they are now aware of it themselves.
The gw2 pvp model doesn't even work in eso on the PC why would it work on consoles lol. they managed to boil mmo pvp down to an anonymous deathwatch without the quality of a Cod. And the single player leveling experience is damaged by the mmo structure just like swtor, ya you have an ok story but its ruined by the huge amounts of required filler you are forced to do because of the mmo level structure.
Flipmode
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The VR I haven't done and don't play too. If I keep enjoying the game the way I am. I will level to max on this character then do the other two factions leveling with two different characters. I personally think that will be more enjoyable. That's if Wildstar doesn't turn out to be great.
Always felt to me like there was much more choice in how I wanted to play TOR though.
Sure it had a single-player vibe, but overall that game was very party/group friendly in many aspects. Dungeons were worth running more than once due to the loot styles and the story in them (not talking about endgame). I thought they were done better as well with things like puzzles for the group to solve, that one where everyone sat on turrets, and the bosses/mechanics were far better than ESO. Those +2/+4 missions on planets were perfect for grabbing buddies and didn't last all day, and each zone had tons of them all different. The worst part of TOR for me was the travel.. just too much at times.
The main problem with ESO for me is that if you bring someone along with you for fun, there is very little you actually need them for and they actually fuck your playing experience up. If you bring a halfway competent friend on any mission in this game, it trivializes everything because it's ridiculously easy as solo. Three or more and the game's not even worth playing.
You only need/want your buds to be running with you while PvPing in ESO and since that's starting to turn like a corpse in the Nevada heat...
Tor was better for sure as a single player game but I mean both suffered from the mmoification. Tor without all the bullshit travel and bear ads filler quests would have been better than the original kotor prolly
The ironic thing is after TOR lauched, everyone said "Why didn't they just make another KOTOR? That's what everyone wanted." Now ESO is floundering and everyone says "Why didn't they just make another Morrowind? That's what everyone wanted."
No one pays attention to what customers want these days I guess...
@Bondurant: You think that megaserver has anything to do with the lag or is it a separate issue? I don't know enough about it to comment but it makes me wonder as it's the one big difference I see between W* and ESO in your post.
Xaxius
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Wildstar has migrated their servers to a datacenter located in Europe to support European players. Zenimax still has their European servers based in the USA, hence the lag disparities.