The Expanse

TJT said:

Some people representing a group of 50-100m people killed billions of people.

Sounds like wiping them out is fair game. I don't get this moral high ground situation in such a context. This ain't some silly brushfire war.

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It was one group that launched asteroids into the planet. Target that group, only, and shore-up defenses to prevent another attack from occurring. Don't run around committing genocide, that only fans the flames. You win a war like this by rising above it and attacking hostile military targets only and addressing their legitimate concerns, like maybe stop treating the belters like they're human waste?

Lanx said:

when 9/11 happened our response should have been

"the former nations of iraq/iran/saudi arabia, are now nuclear wastelands, don't fuck with America"

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Holy shit, you really are a psychopath.

TJT said:

Moral highground based on current American politics.

Your argument? Get a few hundred people to kill billions and kill them afterwords. Absolve the rest.

Clearly a solid deterrant.

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And stop being fucking assholes to the belters.

Murdering the innocent is not a deterrent.

TJT said:

Modern history disagrees with your ruinous empathy.

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Such as?

Goatface said:

View attachment 329037this is like 20 seconds after jumping, the odds of hitting right at the airlock would be insane

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and it got even worse after that. Half the episode focuses on Naomi Nagata, a genius mastermind Engineer way ahead of everyone else, is on her own fucking ship which has been rigged to be a bomb by less competent and generally inferior Engineers, which also hasn't been secured against an inside attack (because as 4.5 seasons have well established, Belters barely plan ahead enough to cover everything going well, they don't plan at all for anything that they might consider unlikely), yet she just can't get back control of her own fucking ship which she's supposed to know inside out (as opposed to a Martian attack frigate she's never seen before, built by completely different standards and practices than Belter ships and the plans of which are most likely super confidential and classified so she's never seen those either, yet she knows precisely how to work that thing the moment she steps foot on it?)

The entire episode stinks of filler, what she achieved during 20 minutes should have been done in three by Mrs Grandmaster Engineer, but they wanted the episode to end on the "Tell James Holden.... I am in..... control" (which was pretty good) but if they had ended the episode on that, they would have had 17 minutes to fill and no idea how. Forcing 17 minutes of fucking filler is unfair on any actor or actress in solo scenes, whether you like them or not.

Furry said:

Space is technically cold, but not cold in the way you are used to. Overheating is actually a consideration on lots of space vehicles. Without air to conduct heat away, things cool off very slow in space. Gas escaping your body and its effects are the entire threat of a vacuum to a human body. Being in a vacuum is extremely survivable for short periods, and there was a nasa scientist who survived a total decompression lasting 30 seconds without injury. How long a vacuum is survivable is theoretical, but medical consensus is ~30 presents little risk, ~60 you'll start having major issues including losing consciousness, ~90s you'll almost certainly have heart failure. Nothing medical is exact, but you probably can be revived for some time past that, with long term issues in the more vulnerable organs (lungs/eyes especially)

Media that portrays people exploding to ice are retarded and wrong, and its always something that's triggered my inner nerd when I see it. Only thing that scene did really poorly is she should have kept her eyes closed as much as possible, and fat guy should have taken longer to go limp. The vapor escaping their mouths being visible was a nice realistic touch.

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Man, if only the Nazis had managed to send people into space, we'd have precise scientific studies on how long a human body could last in a vacuum and still be revived (they conducted similar experiments with ice water to see at what point it was no use to search for shot down pilots over the north sea)

grumblethorn said:

Don't nuke the belters. Blockade their water and food supplies till they all starve to death.

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Heh, this is essentially what had been happening to the belters and it created a faction of militant, psychotic dissidents who ended up killing billions of people.

The reason you don't just start nuking your enemies simply because you can is because it doesn't end there. It just creates new enemies and it turns into an endless cycle of war. In the real world examples given here we wouldn't ever be able to just "end it" by "nuking the middle east off the map". That would make global politics much more volatile and the implications would be devastating all around the globe.

There is a reason that after Hiroshima and Nagasaki the world was like "uhhh... okay... maybe never do this again". But the cat was already out of the bag and we're still trying to prevent terrorists from getting their hands on such destructive tech. And as an example in The Expanse... Marco happened to get his hands on this kind of destructive tech. Woopsies eh Mars? The United States surely has never let its military tech fall into the wrong hands. When the Soviet Union collapsed surely none of its military hardware was sold on the black market. The cycle won't end with Marco if you attack EVERY belter. And you'll splinter you're own factions in the process, as we are seeing in the show.

Quineloe said:

Man, if only the Nazis had managed to send people into space, we'd have precise scientific studies on how long a human body could last in a vacuum and still be revived (they conducted similar experiments with ice water to see at what point it was no use to search for shot down pilots over the north sea)

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Didn't they conduct experiments in vacuum chambers also? Or at least air pressure...I think they were primarily concerned about simulating high altitude conditions.

Hubertus Strughold was involved in that controversy. He was considered the "father of space medicine", but a lot had questioned his direct involvement with Nazi experiments and I think they later uncovered human experiments he had direct involvement in.

Lanx said:

when 9/11 happened our response should have been

"the former nations of iraq/iran/saudi arabia, are now nuclear wastelands, don't fuck with America"

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and nothing of value was lost

comfy monkeys don't jihad. you don't want space jihad do you?

Lanx said:

so far this season sux

all i care about are the adventures of Amos and Peaches

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Try watching Wayne.

It's what I imagine Amos and Peaches would be if they were juvenile delinquents living in current times