The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

That might be fairly close to the angle they go. You'll see contrasts between Sam and New Captain America...they'll probably paint Sam more in the traditional American values light (hard work gets rewarded, integrity, etc) and New Captain America will be some social media/corporate style marketing shit that is ultimately just a facade. Then Sam realizes he needs to accept the mantle to actually preserve what Steve Rogers stood for and give people a positive role model.

Cybsled said:

That might be fairly close to the angle they go. You'll see contrasts between Sam and New Captain America...they'll probably paint Sam more in the traditional American values light (hard work gets rewarded, integrity, etc) and New Captain America will be some social media/corporate style marketing shit that is ultimately just a facade. Then Sam realizes he needs to accept the mantle to actually preserve what Steve Rogers stood for and give people a positive role model.

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Gonna be a great look when the black man ends up stealing the priceless vibranium shield.

Gavinmad said:

Gonna be a great look when the black man ends up stealing the priceless vibranium shield.

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isnt his flying suit something he stole already?

Chukzombi said:

isnt his flying suit something he stole already?

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shhhh

I’ve seen Anthony Mackie talk some; frankly seems a reasonable good dude.

I thought the bank scene seemed like a scene to make the non-super powered or super rich heroes relatable and to just put a little out there about some of the bullshit people that got brought back might deal with. Didn’t really take it racist at all. Also thought it poked some fun at how stupid people are about celebrities like asking for a fucking selfie after denying a loan rather than handling it like they’re a random person. Probably giving the writers too much credit.

liked it. But I like Bucky and Sam anyway. Never felt Sam was written from the same racial slant other black characters get. He’s just a dude that’s loyal and trying to do the right thing.

My hope is that this is taking a more nuanced angle re: returning war veterans. Bucky has the psychological/emotional effects and Sam('s family) gets the financial hardships. These struggles pin up nicely next to the developing criminal activity masquerading as a flash mob revolution, and the false idol Captain No-Chin. If played correctly, this series builds up Sam and Bucky as worthy replacements for Steve's legacy, ie. patriotism tempered with personal accountability and morality. Sam will have to make things work without help and Bucky will have to make amends and forgive himself / step out of the shadows a bit.

But who the fuck knows, we're in the post-Endgame now.

a c i d.f l y said:

Sure you can. If you were 16, you would be 21 now. Just because you disappeared, doesn't mean time didn't pass. Obviously you're still 16, but legally 21.

Look at this Downsey fuck.

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Ron Howard: hey, i'll direct one of your Star Wars movies, but my daughter wants to direct some of your TV show episodes.
Disney: sure!

JJ Abrams: hey i'll direct one of your Star Wars movies, but my son wants to make his own comic book series.
Disney: sure!

Kurt Russell: Hey I'll star in one of your Marvel movies, but my son would really like to be in one as well.
Disney: sure!

Phazael said:

Mackie is full on woke cult. He is a fair actor, given the right role, but the dude is probably part of the push for this whole evil white banker angle. At least he mostly separates his politics from his work, unlike a lot of them.

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Eh. I’m not saying he doesn’t lean pretty left, but most of his comments seem reasonable.


The above article leans heavily into diversity, and, sure, he makes some comments in that vein. He also talks about hiring the right person regardless of who they are and almost hits it on the nose that the current segregated approach the left is trying for “diversity” is actually racist. I think he isn’t as far woke as some thinks but he’s also a black man which are up there with gay men as the white men of the progressive stack and knows he has a good gig now. He had another good interview where he hit back at cancel culture or something like that pretty well. I’ll dig it up.

Phazael said:

Mackie is full on woke cult. He is a fair actor, given the right role, but the dude is probably part of the push for this whole evil white banker angle. At least he mostly separates his politics from his work, unlike a lot of them.

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I never minded Mackie in interviews that I've seen, but I also don't really dive deep into the PR bits of the celebrity life.. But I believe it is the writer whose responsible, if that wasn't the obvious answer. I've seen some articles regarding his interest in trying to bring things like racial inequality and nationalism to the table for conversation. I personally don't mind it, if it isn't super heavy handed or ultimately unbelievable. I've always thoroughly enjoyed the exploration of the "toxicities" in nationalism and patriotism. I find that could maybe lead to something interesting if rooted within the universe.. though the race shit, I tend to not care unless they decide to go all in and we end up w/ a Rodney King moment.

Caeden said:

I thought the bank scene seemed like a scene to make the non-super powered or super rich heroes relatable and to just put a little out there about some of the bullshit people that got brought back might deal with. Didn’t really take it racist at all. Also thought it poked some fun at how stupid people are about celebrities like asking for a fucking selfie after denying a loan rather than handling it like they’re a random person. Probably giving the writers too much credit.

liked it. But I like Bucky and Sam anyway. Never felt Sam was written from the same racial slant other black characters get. He’s just a dude that’s loyal and trying to do the right thing.

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My personal take w/o review was that you're on point with Sam's position, but the sister had the interjection of being the black with a chip on their shoulders role.. so I got a giant kick when she went to throw the black card and the banker pumped the brakes on her and went on about Sam being a hero.. iirc Sam seemed to be the reasonable and the sister being a jaded bitch.

eitherway, doesnt matter.. I just wanted to point out, apparently they added a trigger warning in the description. I don't think marvel/disney has the balls to do a mass shooting, so my guess is US Agent is probably gonna put a beatdown on a PoC.

gauze said:

eitherway, doesnt matter.. I just wanted to point out, apparently they added a trigger warning in the description. I don't think marvel/disney has the balls to do a mass shooting, so my guess is US Agent is probably gonna put a beatdown on a PoC.

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Literally was put in because Bucky's victim was an Asian kid "wrong place wrong time", but if you want to know what future warnings will be about..

Malakriss said:

Literally was put in because Bucky's victim was an Asian kid "wrong place wrong time", but if you want to know what future warnings will be about..

Spoiler: Based on Leaked Casting + Comic plot

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Yeah I saw that, but I feel it might be bigger than that scene in particular. Regarding the spoiler, would be interesting but idk.. I guess i'm morely referring to



./shrug I think its gon b good series.

New episode was good. John Walker gonna murder some people for that super soldier serum.

49:44 minutes. i like it already.

i liked this episode much better than the last one. Bucky's story is pretty much the story. i dont like Downsy Russell.