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mkopec

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rog/sk/shm is a dot build; if you want a non-dot version, i've seen an atk-focused Mnk/sk/shm do really well
Its not the way I play mine. I might toss a dot out here and there, but its def not the bread and butter of the build.Its pretty much a "DD" build that focuses on poisons, backstabs and certain SK lifetaps. At least thats where most of my dam comes from.
 

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rog/sk/shm is a dot build; if you want a non-dot version, i've seen an atk-focused Mnk/sk/shm do really well; shm in that build just heals, slows, buffs and cooldowns.


You can still do that MNK version with a ROG. You just focus a bit more on SP instead. Sure, it's not as min/max DPS wise as if you were also throwing out DoTs. But just poison procs, TotC procs, Shroud of Undeath, etc. can get you some solid DPS. Plus, SKs get some nasty 1H piercers that'll be 3x on BS now.
 

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So I watched a vod of a twitch stream yesterday with one of the devs on it and he said many things but shit that stood out is ZEMs bonuses are changing to Luclin. He said Vex thal and Umbral are going to be the hotness among some others too.So say goodbye to DN, lol, thank god. He also said the ring war in velious is finished and he hand buffed the items and also you cant cheese this one. It will be a 2+ peeps thing with some of the best Velious loot although it wont be quite up to luclin power. He also said that they are working on some hand tailored content for Luclin. They want to have some hand tailored shit in each expansion. There was more and he talked about the nerfs and buffs and other shit like the servers and stuff but that was the gist of it. He said they are ready for like 5K peeps now since they added one more server to the farm.

 

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Well fuck me. Apparently the ROG 3x BS damage buff only applies to ROG piercing weapons. Gaaaay.

Might do the whole SK/MNK/X now then.
 

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So I watched a vod of a twitch stream yesterday with one of the devs on it and he said many things but shit that stood out is ZEMs bonuses are changing to Luclin. He said Vex thal and Umbral are going to be the hotness among some others too.So say goodbye to DN, lol, thank god. He also said the ring war in velious is finished and he hand buffed the items and also you cant cheese this one. It will be a 2+ peeps thing with some of the best Velious loot although it wont be quite up to luclin power. He also said that they are working on some hand tailored content for Luclin. They want to have some hand tailored shit in each expansion. There was more and he talked about the nerfs and buffs and other shit like the servers and stuff but that was the gist of it. He said they are ready for like 5K peeps now since they added one more server to the farm.


I'm guessing the tailor made stuff will be the ring of fire event in acrylia for luclin, think that generally doesn't work on emu but they said it will work here in the change log.
 

Fight

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Knocked out The Sleeper again, first shot and it was super easy. Once you break the 4 min mile, what was thought impossible becomes simple. Crazy how that works.
 

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I'm guessing the tailor made stuff will be the ring of fire event in acrylia for luclin, think that generally doesn't work on emu but they said it will work here in the change log.
He specifically said coldain ring war in Velious is fixed too.
 

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I'm guessing the tailor made stuff will be the ring of fire event in acrylia for luclin, think that generally doesn't work on emu but they said it will work here in the change log.
They usually add custom stuff to the "pinnacle" boss of the expansion too. They did it with Sleeper, Phara Dar, and I think Inny as well.

So, I wouldn't be surprised to see Aten have some custom scripts involved.
 

mkopec

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Well fuck me. Apparently the ROG 3x BS damage buff only applies to ROG piercing weapons. Gaaaay.

Might do the whole SK/MNK/X now then.
Thats additive flat dmg they are adding to daggers right? IDK, might be the way to go. Im doing doubles and even sometimes triples of 5K dmg backstabs (upwadrs of 10K is the highest I saw) with SK epic and Mylokars dagger in offhand. Not sure if backstab is calculated from main hand or both? But if those ROG daggers have a huge flat dmg increase, plus some of them have a backstab skill modifier on them, who knows, this might be the new hotness.
 
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Kirun

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Thats additive flat dmg they are adding to daggers right? IDK, might be the way to go. Im doing doubles and even sometimes triples of 5K dmg backstabs (upwadrs of 10K is the highest I saw) with SK epic and Mylokars dagger in offhand. Not sure if backstab is calculated from main hand or both? But if those ROG daggers have a huge flat dmg increase, plus some of them have a backstab skill modifier on them, who knows, this might be the new hotness.
Yeah, it should put Myro dagger ahead of SK epic for MH, since white damage outside of BS is pretty poor. Then it's probably worth throwing Shaman epic in OH if you aren't SP capped or probably an Avatar weapon if you are.

Things will obviously change with Luclin weapons, but I think that's probably the math for BIS Velious gear.
 

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I started out with SK/BRD/RNG.... didn't like it as much I thought. Mainly because I felt like I was really just playing a Ranger (which isn't a horrible thing just a preference). So I switched to SK/BRD/WIZ. It was A LOT of fun, especially with leveling and grinding out AA's in DN. I'm still not quite liking the build on single target raid mobs so I'm considering going SK/ROG/?? but just can't land on what that last class would be. I was going to wait until the balance patch went in and the dust settled but we'll see. Thought about SK/ROG/BRD or WAR/ROG/BST.

Would like to play a straight up melee DPS.
 

mkopec

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I started out with SK/BRD/RNG.... didn't like it as much I thought. Mainly because I felt like I was really just playing a Ranger (which isn't a horrible thing just a preference). So I switched to SK/BRD/WIZ. It was A LOT of fun, especially with leveling and grinding out AA's in DN. I'm still not quite liking the build on single target raid mobs so I'm considering going SK/ROG/?? but just can't land on what that last class would be. I was going to wait until the balance patch went in and the dust settled but we'll see. Thought about SK/ROG/BRD or WAR/ROG/BST.

Would like to play a straight up melee DPS.
LOL, there was a dude that came across my youtube feed, a WOW player that tried this server. And he wanted to recreate a WoW Hunter class. You know, send in pet, stand back and pew. Well he was almost there, he made a Ranger/BST/whatever the fuck and his pet just would not hold enough aggro from his plinking later on in levels when he bought a good bow. I was thinking to myself, he should have chose a Mage instead, I hear those mage pets are good tanks. I mean not a bad idea if it worked.

If you want melee you cant go wrong with SK/ROG/SHM or Drood.
 

Fight

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I started out with SK/BRD/RNG.... didn't like it as much I thought. Mainly because I felt like I was really just playing a Ranger (which isn't a horrible thing just a preference). So I switched to SK/BRD/WIZ. It was A LOT of fun, especially with leveling and grinding out AA's in DN. I'm still not quite liking the build on single target raid mobs so I'm considering going SK/ROG/?? but just can't land on what that last class would be. I was going to wait until the balance patch went in and the dust settled but we'll see. Thought about SK/ROG/BRD or WAR/ROG/BST.

Would like to play a straight up melee DPS.
Either Monk or Rogue foundational builds seem to be the best for Melee DPS.

Monk/Berseker/Cleric is pretty hot right now. Get 125 HDex, and a Legendary Palladius. Once you get up around 1500 AA's you are Boss killing machine.

Rogue/SK/Shaman has also been one solid builds that people are pretty high on.
 

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LOL, there was a dude that came across my youtube feed, a WOW player that tried this server. And he wanted to recreate a WoW Hunter class. You know, send in pet, stand back and pew. Well he was almost there, he made a Ranger/BST/whatever the fuck and his pet just would not hold enough aggro from his plinking later on in levels when he bought a good bow. I was thinking to myself, he should have chose a Mage instead, I hear those mage pets are good tanks. I mean not a bad idea if it worked.

If you want melee you cant go wrong with SK/ROG/SHM or Drood.
Nah its a big problem. Pets, even mage pets, just do not hold agro for shit. Not sure what the deal is but it needs to be looked at.
 

Kirun

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LOL, there was a dude that came across my youtube feed, a WOW player that tried this server. And he wanted to recreate a WoW Hunter class. You know, send in pet, stand back and pew. Well he was almost there, he made a Ranger/BST/whatever the fuck and his pet just would not hold enough aggro from his plinking later on in levels when he bought a good bow. I was thinking to myself, he should have chose a Mage instead, I hear those mage pets are good tanks. I mean not a bad idea if it worked.

If you want melee you cant go wrong with SK/ROG/SHM or Drood.
If he wanted to do that, he should've added Bard for faded memories. Total agro wipe that he'd just have to hit every so often.
 

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Thats additive flat dmg they are adding to daggers right? IDK, might be the way to go. Im doing doubles and even sometimes triples of 5K dmg backstabs (upwadrs of 10K is the highest I saw) with SK epic and Mylokars dagger in offhand. Not sure if backstab is calculated from main hand or both? But if those ROG daggers have a huge flat dmg increase, plus some of them have a backstab skill modifier on them, who knows, this might be the new hotness.
Idk what they are gonna change with the 3x bonus for rogue daggers but backstab formula is:

Backstab skill / 25 = mod times main hand dmg value, so for example say with say 250 backstab skill and a 15 dmg main hand dagger your backstab would hit for up to 250/25 = 10 x 15 or 150 dmg.

Then you apply non piercing modifier of 75% or 2h modifier of 50%, then factor in other combat modifiers, bonuses, aa, crit, etc.

Because backstab is based on main hand dmg and because of this reason 1h piercing weapons are artificially low this is why 2h is always better than 1h or 1h piercing. A 2h that does 110 dmg x 50% is 55, so you would need a dagger with 55 dmg or higher to match it.

I'm guessing that the 3x bonus is just a straight up 3x base dmg in the formula to make daggers better for backstab than 2hers. Palladium is like 118, or equivalent to a 59 dmg dagger. With a 3x bonus on the current top end daggers at 30 you end up with 90 equivalent.
 

Grez

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Well fuck me. Apparently the ROG 3x BS damage buff only applies to ROG piercing weapons. Gaaaay.

Might do the whole SK/MNK/X now then.
ya i'd love it if they expanded it to all piercing weapons. I'd love to do some kind of zerker/rogue with a 2h piercing weapon.
 

mkopec

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ya i'd love it if they expanded it to all piercing weapons. I'd love to do some kind of zerker/rogue with a 2h piercing weapon.
Nope he specifically said this change is rogue only daggers when someone in stream asked why cant this be for all daggers. He said there was a problem why rogues were not using any daggers in game. So he wanted to solve it. He also said that some daggers in game already had these bonuses but he removed them all early on because it was all a fucking mess. Now hes adding them back in proper.
 

mkopec

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Idk what they are gonna change with the 3x bonus for rogue daggers but backstab formula is:

Backstab skill / 25 = mod times main hand dmg value, so for example say with say 250 backstab skill and a 15 dmg main hand dagger your backstab would hit for up to 250/25 = 10 x 15 or 150 dmg.

Then you apply non piercing modifier of 75% or 2h modifier of 50%, then factor in other combat modifiers, bonuses, aa, crit, etc.

Because backstab is based on main hand dmg and because of this reason 1h piercing weapons are artificially low this is why 2h is always better than 1h or 1h piercing. A 2h that does 110 dmg x 50% is 55, so you would need a dagger with 55 dmg or higher to match it.

I'm guessing that the 3x bonus is just a straight up 3x base dmg in the formula to make daggers better for backstab than 2hers. Palladium is like 118, or equivalent to a 59 dmg dagger. With a 3x bonus on the current top end daggers at 30 you end up with 90 equivalent.
I just found the screen from the test server...Rogue epic

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