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I would agree, save that if the Feds' go after Texans' guns Texas' state government will provide the necessary co-ordination. Other than that, no worries.
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Lol, Texas... All the gov't would have to do would have a championship high school football game started and advertise free beer, Texas revolution over.
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An armed revolution will not work in Iraq because it will never get to the level of coordination needed for it to succeed.
An armed revolution will not work in Afghanistan because it will never get to the level of coordination needed for it to succeed.
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The goal of the insurgent actions in both Iraq and Afghanistan was not revolution, nor the outright defeat of U.S. forces. The goal was simply to maintain hostilities in order to inflict casualties and hopefully cause approval for the wars to wane here in the U.S. Also for the insurgents to maintain the power infrastructure of the groups involved so when we inevitably withdrew, those groups would be strong enough to reestablish themselves in the wake of our leaving.
A revolution to depose the U.S. government would have to utilize orders of magnitude greater force than what was seen in either Iraq or Afghanistan. That would require a huge amount of coordination and resources.
Like I said, the best you could hope for is not a complete overthrow, but simply to cause enough popular backlash against the government's actions to enact some sort of change. That is very different from setting up a whole new state.
A revolution to depose the U.S. government would have to utilize orders of magnitude greater force than what was seen in either Iraq or Afghanistan. That would require a huge amount of coordination and resources.
Like I said, the best you could hope for is not a complete overthrow, but simply to cause enough popular backlash against the government's actions to enact some sort of change. That is very different from setting up a whole new state.
Things are just too good right now for anyone to be willing to throw it away on a chance for change. The Gub knows it, and will backdoor anything and everything while the party is good.
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Since that reuter's article is gone, heres one on cbc.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...d-nations.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...d-nations.html
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Or you could just read it on the magazines webpage.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-918625.html
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Anyone thinking that armed rebellion is even a possibility at this point has seen Red Dawn one too many times. First off, there is such a technological and training disparity between the modern military and armed rednecks that any actual armed conflict would end very badly. Also, after Vietnam the mental conditioning changed to make the average grunt a more loyal instrument of the state. All you have to tell the grunts is that the are rounding up a bunch of unpatriotic liberal fags and they will do the will of the state just fine. This of course assumes that they actually used armed men to put down a rebellion and don't just send in some drones to surgically remove a bunch of the ringleaders, that the domestic surveillance will conveniently identify for them. And as Iannis pointed out, how much motivation is the average fat fuck 'merican reality TV enthusiast going to have when all of their cell phone, electrical, and internet service gets turned off to bring them in line? There is also the little ignored fact that the corporate interests in this country have been raising their own personal little mercenary armies over the last couple decades (sometimes taking over entire towns to do it) to defend their interests, many with some of the best toys, so trying to take down the uber rich in some modern French Revolution is not exactly happening either. Basically, Team Redneck is fucked. We, as a people, are too soft and have not reached the tipping point where we would care enough to endure the level of ass kicking an armed rebellion would involve. Christ, most of the loudest sabre rattlers in this thread are people who complained about spyware alerts like it was the end of the fucking world and you expect to take up arms and march on DC? Get real.
And LOL at Texas standing up to the US Government... The same Texas that is secretly begging for ACA money and cannot even keep its fucking roads paved? Christ the oil guys are IN BED with the same fucking people you are railing against and will on the same side if shit ever went down.
The only way, at this point, that things change is an actual unification of the popular voting base, which is unlikely given the massive effort the media has gone to in pitting us against each other in the last couple decades. Failing that, some natural (or man made) disaster that essentially breaks down modern society is the only other option, which would be even worse for the average person than the aftermath of an armed rebellion. Basically, we are fucked until the wheels come off in some way and force us to start over again.
Meh, rant over. Back to pointless bitching about inevitable consequences of the information age that we cannot halt.....
And LOL at Texas standing up to the US Government... The same Texas that is secretly begging for ACA money and cannot even keep its fucking roads paved? Christ the oil guys are IN BED with the same fucking people you are railing against and will on the same side if shit ever went down.
The only way, at this point, that things change is an actual unification of the popular voting base, which is unlikely given the massive effort the media has gone to in pitting us against each other in the last couple decades. Failing that, some natural (or man made) disaster that essentially breaks down modern society is the only other option, which would be even worse for the average person than the aftermath of an armed rebellion. Basically, we are fucked until the wheels come off in some way and force us to start over again.
Meh, rant over. Back to pointless bitching about inevitable consequences of the information age that we cannot halt.....
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Talking about storming DC shows how little you know about guerrilla warfare. They didn't storm Baghdad in Iraq, storm Saigon in vietnam or storm Kabul in Afghanistan. It is about striking with surprise and making it hard and expensive for the government to exercise control. It is also about forcing the government to crack down on ordinary citizens and thereby drive away their support.
We are nowhere near any sort of revolution in the US, but to act like the US citizens couldn't resist the government in a tyranny type situation is pretty absurd in a country this spread out with this many guns. You must live in a city or something on the coast. Go to the midwest, the north or the south and see how spread out our country is and realize how little the government could do about a widespread revolt in these areas. You can drive for hours and see nothing but trees and gas stations in some areas.
We are nowhere near any sort of revolution in the US, but to act like the US citizens couldn't resist the government in a tyranny type situation is pretty absurd in a country this spread out with this many guns. You must live in a city or something on the coast. Go to the midwest, the north or the south and see how spread out our country is and realize how little the government could do about a widespread revolt in these areas. You can drive for hours and see nothing but trees and gas stations in some areas.
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All you have to do is make the country so unprofitable to rule that the elites give up their hold on power or flee. That would not take any rebels in the US very long to achieve. Once you disrupt the supply chain that keeps our economy moving the way it does, the whole thing becomes worthless. Also you have to consider that most of the military and police would go home to protect their own families rather than serve a government paying them in soon to be worthless dollars.
In fact, because of the fact that this country's only real power is based on economics, a general strike backed up by only limited amounts of force would really be enough to render it useless to the people who currently own our government. You would only need enough guys with guns to protect the workers in critical industries from being forced back to work by the National Guard and only for long enough for a significant number of the NG to realize they're on the wrong side, which, in a free society, wouldn't take particularly long.
In fact, because of the fact that this country's only real power is based on economics, a general strike backed up by only limited amounts of force would really be enough to render it useless to the people who currently own our government. You would only need enough guys with guns to protect the workers in critical industries from being forced back to work by the National Guard and only for long enough for a significant number of the NG to realize they're on the wrong side, which, in a free society, wouldn't take particularly long.
There's too much fluff left in the game. Why cash out when there's still more shrimp and white wine to be had?
The Dr Pepper is flowing so obviously enough is going right with the world to not need my interference.
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There's a reason God made Jack Daniels and Ginger Ale. So they could be mixed together and we could forget about all this shit. SOE just needs to finish EQNext so I can ignore the world for another five years.
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310 million americans, 300+ million guns, landmass the size of 23 Iraqs put together - against the same government army, except this time they are being asked to fire on their own fellow citizens.
US government could never win a revolt in their own country even if as little as 10% of the population actively resisted.