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Who exactly is going to hold the guns stopping the National Guard? And when the transition to automation finishes later this decade, work stoppages won't mean shit either. You guys are greatly underestimating the selfish self serving culture that has been cultivated in this country for the last few decades. When the Occupy fuckers actually show up without their Apple gadgets and designer threads, I will believe that such a thing is possible. As it is, there would be a couple days of redneck rabble rousing, followed by the basic amenities being cut off for everyone and a few drones leveling the burbs condos of the ring leaders. That's if it even gets to that point. My moneys says that the first group of people who seriously discuss doing this get sniffed out by the NSA and stuffed in a sack and sent off to some black site that Gitmo is a distraction for, never to be seen again.

Don't be stupid. The rich have smelled this coming for a while and have been making their own private little armies to keep their McMansions free of the unwashed masses. Do a search on Private Military Firms in the US if you find that far fetched. They are not leaving. They own everything and people have been dumbed down to the point to where there is no way they are going to go out and try and stop it, especially if it means no Honey Boo Boo and Dollar Value meals.
 
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Agree in principle, but we are not the Iraqis. We are a bunch of spoiled fat fucks with too much money and not enough sense who get in line to kiss off our rights the first time our native soil was attacked directly in nearly a century. The US Government also has this whole data gathering thing to use as a roadmap on how to herd the sheeple. And if you think US Servicemen won't fire on US Civilians, I can provide you a lot of evidence to the contrary. And much of that is from an era when our military was NOT stuffed with criminals, religious nut jobs, white supremacists, and teabaggers who want to kill some hippy libs.
 
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Bro, I used to think EXACTLY like you. Hell. I supported total elimination of private weapon ownership for exact same reason in my early 20s. It's OK, the government also wants you to think that, that they are omniscient, omnipresent and all powerful. Then I started looking at the facts for a long time and ultimately changed my stance 180 degrees over the years

We couldn't even hold Iraq down with drones, spec ops, raids and never ending martial law. We had to bribe them during "The Surge" with pallets of cash to stop shooting at us and at each other. The only real surge that happened is the surge of expending.

You need to stop stereotyping all Americans as someone sort of 300 lb lardos who need TV more than oxygen. Ever talked to military vets? Gun owners?
 
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Phazael_sl said:
@Araysar-
Agree in principle, but we are not the Iraqis. We are a bunch of spoiled fat fucks with too much money and not enough sense who get in line to kiss off our rights the first time our native soil was attacked directly in nearly a century.
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Wrong.

Look at even my least favorite group the Tea Party - the only thing holding them back from shooting government employees is the actual law. They care about their rights quite a bit and not afraid to get off their couch to protest relentlessly and organize locally.

Phazael_sl said:
The US Government also has this whole data gathering thing to use as a roadmap on how to herd the sheeple. And if you think US Servicemen won't fire on US Civilians, I can provide you a lot of evidence to the contrary.
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So can I. It doesnt have to be every soldier. Even if 1 in 10 servicemen refuse to fire on their fellow citizens that is already a crippling blow to the organization and the morale of the US army. A 10% desertion rate would be HUGE.


You can stop talking in these idiotic sweeping generalizations. You make yourself look very poorly.
 
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tad10_sl said:
There's a reason God made Jack Daniels and Ginger Ale. So they could be mixed together and we could forget about all this shit. SOE just needs to finish EQNext so I can ignore the world for another five years.

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It's no wonder why the entertainment industry is so profitable. If real life was awesome there wouldn't be a need for it.
 
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You can stop talking in these idiotic sweeping generalizations. You make yourself look very poorly.
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I am not the one with unrealistic expectations on how effective a civil uprising could be in the modern era. Look to pre-WW2 German history for a good roadmap on how this will play out. There is not going to be a sudden "oh shit, git yer guns!" moment where everyone magically rises up as one. This is a slow cooked frog situation and it has been ongoing. I am too old and fat to outlive it, with no kids, so I got no skin in the game, thus I am just going to ride out the slow burn while it lasts. By the time people get pissed off enough to actively resist, anyone capable of doing real harm will have been marginalized or dealt with. That's why you are seeing this domestic surveillance going on right now; they are basically getting their ducks in a row for when the wheels fall off in a few years. I am guessing the next time the banks push us to the brink with one of their bubbles and demand we bail them out or else the skies will fall.

Now if somehow the Travons and Zimmermans magically unite as one with their hunting rifles and cause social chaos and the general public is behind them, helping them coordinate their acts of domestic unrest? Sure in that scenario, the military is not very likely to fire on civilians and do what we have done elsewhere. But it is not going to get to that point. A bunch of peoples (some of them deserving, some not) will be rounded up as "domestic terrorists" and a bunch more will be demonized in the media to the point where no one will give enough of a shit, at least until the food supply gets fucked with. That's what actually set off the bulk of Arab Spring. The minute the average self entitled American jackass can't order Dominoes from their Iphone, people might notice how hard they have been getting rammed in the ass. Until then, its death by a thousand cuts. I don't like it, but I have made my peace with the American public becoming so partisan and apathetic that we are descending straight into corporate fascism. The education system, media, and public discourse have all been slowly molded towards shaping people to accept this process. The Revolution will not be televised, because it is never going to happen.
 
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Fevered fantasies with zero evidence. Just more and more sweeping generalizations.
 
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Phazael_sl said:
And when the transition to automation finishes later this decade, work stoppages won't mean shit either.
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Do you realize how an economy works? Even if you could automate 100% of manufacturing, people still have to mine the shit, chop the shit, slaughter the shit, move the shit, load the shit, unload the shit, stock the shit, tag the shit, bag the shit, sell the shit, ring the shit up.

But really, the whole thing stops once the dollars stop being worth shit. And there's LOTS of ways that can happen, and even mild political unrest could make it worth nothing. Hell, the US congress has put the dollar on the brink multiple times in the past decade.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Do you realize how an economy works? Even if you could automate 100% of manufacturing, people still have to mine the shit, chop the shit, slaughter the shit, move the shit, load the shit, unload the shit, stock the shit, tag the shit, bag the shit, sell the shit, ring the shit up.

But really, the whole thing stops once the dollars stop being worth shit. And there's LOTS of ways that can happen, and even mild political unrest could make it worth nothing. Hell, the US congress has put the dollar on the brink multiple times in the past decade.
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Yeah if we weren't needed, we definitely wouldn't be here.
 
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There have been numerous discussions on the effects of automation in the long run in this forum, so I am not going to repeat other people's arguments. We are already living in a lesser version of it right now where the bulk of people work in service industries for the lucky few who get to move debt around for a living, while a lot of the actual work has been outsourced. Once robots get cheaper than paying off Chinese jumpers to crank out iphones, we will move another step along. The people milking the system don't care if it is sustainable for the average person, just that they own all the chips when the music stops. Look at how much effort the oil industry has put into quashing alternative energy for a good example of their myopia.

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Maybe generalizations, but I don't think anyone can deny that the educational apparatus has been gradually dismantled over the past couple decades and how the basic elements of a corporate run state have been growing (hi2u Citizens United), both of which are textbook signposts on the way to fascism. Plus you yourself have commented numerous times about how the both parties are slaves to the same master and partisanship is largely kabuki theatre to keep the masses entertained. This entire thread is dedicated to the topic of the massive domestic surveillance going on. Not sure what is so far fetched.

My argument is that any armed rebellion (or passive unrest) against the state on a large scale is unrealistic, because the people are apathetic and too busy being pitted against each other for it ever to occur. And if it ever did get off the ground, it would be crushed before it got anywhere under the umbrella of domestic terrorism.
 
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I actually never promoted the both sides are bad argument. Matter of fact, I strongly argued against that notion many times here.

If people are so apathetic, explain Tea Party, OWS, Liberals denouncing Obama over NSA stuff, etc.
 
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Phazael_sl said:
There have been numerous discussions on the effects of automation in the long run in this forum, so I am not going to repeat other people's arguments. We are already living in a lesser version of it right now where the bulk of people work in service industries for the lucky few who get to move debt around for a living, while a lot of the actual work has been outsourced. Once robots get cheaper than paying off Chinese jumpers to crank out iphones, we will move another step along. The people milking the system don't care if it is sustainable for the average person, just that they own all the chips when the music stops. Look at how much effort the oil industry has put into quashing alternative energy for a good example of their myopia.

@Araysar-
Maybe generalizations, but I don't think anyone can deny that the educational apparatus has been gradually dismantled over the past couple decades and how the basic elements of a corporate run state have been growing (hi2u Citizens United), both of which are textbook signposts on the way to fascism. Plus you yourself have commented numerous times about how the both parties are slaves to the same master and partisanship is largely kabuki theatre to keep the masses entertained. This entire thread is dedicated to the topic of the massive domestic surveillance going on. Not sure what is so far fetched.

My argument is that any armed rebellion (or passive unrest) against the state on a large scale is unrealistic, because the people are apathetic and too busy being pitted against each other for it ever to occur. And if it ever did get off the ground, it would be crushed before it got anywhere under the umbrella of domestic terrorism.
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I agree, the Govt wasn't even phased by the occupy movement. They know us too well. They can tell us our money is worthless, and all the fighting and working to live a little better is an artificial fight and you're actually pretty stuck where you are unless you're willing to break the law to get there. Oh and hey, the banks sold you into something you cant afford? Its cool bro, we'll pay them back. But you don't get to keep your house. Fuck you, Uncle Sam. PS Fuck you.
 
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tad10_sl said:
Awesome -_-. This just gets suckier and suckier.

Fortunately, a Solar Flare will blow out the Internet in 11-22 years.
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tad10_sl said:
Yeah but maybe they're the smart ones? Does it really matter since in 15-20 years we're all fucked due to (take your pick) Great Depression II, Sea Level Rise, Chinese Pollution, Bee Death, etc.

I mean I'm pissed off about the NSA (or I wouldn't be in this thread) but on some level does it really matter when we're all fucked relatively soon?
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On the bright side when the asteroid/solar flare/great depression/north korean nuke/bee dieoff/smallpox happens it won't matter anymore. The NSA fuckwads are all going down too.

Edit: How could I forget racewar?
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You don't have a very positive outlook on life do you?
 
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Phazael_sl said:
Maybe generalizations, but I don't think anyone can deny that the educational apparatus has been gradually dismantled over the past couple decades
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Our schools suck, and yet somehow, people, on average, are better educated than ever. And that's without counting the fact that everyone on the planet with an internet connection has a full research library at their finger tips. One of the biggest problems facing the developed world is that so many people are overeducated for the shitty jobs that are available.

And people are not as apathetic as they were in 1996 and 2000, this is provable. If you weren't really politically aware at the time, that was the most underwhelming election in the history of the country, and voter turnout was awful. The botched Bush election, 9/11, Obama, voter ID, have turned that around, and we're back to higher voter turnouts since the 60s.

Unfortunately, we only have national party that's actually serious about trying to run a government, and so choices are going to go back to being pretty limited.
 
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Mist_sl said:
Our schools suck, and yet somehow, people, on average, are better educated than ever.
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better trained on what to think and how to do specific tasks, NOT better educated on how to think, even 100 years ago the generic population that could read was alot better read on classical education.

just because more people CAN read does not mean they are reading better books or reading books at all vs trash like womans magazines.
 
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...access?ref=fpb

Former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden gained access to some of the secret agency documents he leaked to the media earlier this year by borrowing the identities of top NSA officials, NBC News reported Thursday.

An anonymous intelligence official told NBC News that the NSA's forensic investigation has already identified multiple instances where Snowden accessed some documents on the NSA's intranet, NSAnet, by borrowing other employees' user profiles.

Snowden, as a system administrator, had the ability to create and modify user profiles on NSAnet in addition to accessing the intranet using those profiles, according to intelligence officials. He accessed the most sensitive documents by borrowing the user profiles of employees with higher level security clearances than his own "top secret" clearance.

"Every day, they are learning how brilliant [Snowden] was," a former U.S. official with knowledge of the case told NBC News. "This is why you don't hire brilliant people for jobs like this. You hire smart people. Brilliant people get you in trouble."
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