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Strifen

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I cannot find a single reason to give a single fuck about our gov snooping in on us.
The very act of surveillance breeds conformity within society. When people know their every word is being tracked and analyzed they are far less likely to express certain thoughts or ideas that may seem out of the ordinary. Mass surveillance slowly poisons the soul of a nation while stomping out free and independent thinkers.
 

AladainAF

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Yeah it really is amazing how people just dont care. The smartest thinkers in the past were always afraid of speaking out against the norms of those days because of the church/etc. i.e. Galileo's and the Roman inquisition/catholics.. I guess it won't be until our government turns into what the church was in the past but at that time it will just be too late.
 

W4RH34D_sl

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Yeah it really is amazing how people just dont care. The smartest thinkers in the past were always afraid of speaking out against the norms of those days because of the church/etc. i.e. Galileo's and the Roman inquisition/catholics.. I guess it won't be until our government turns into what the church was in the past but at that time it will just be too late.
A new dark ages would be interesting.
 

fanaskin

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The protestant reformation happened shorty after the printing press for a reason, the internet is still very young.
 

AladainAF

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Nah let's be real here - we're partially there but we're not there yet. We have the government collecting everything, which is the equivalent of confession. The only difference is that we dont have a choice now, and back then you technically did have a choice, though many were so brainwashed then they spilled the beans anyway.

We're not there yet because we're not actively having dissenting thought stopped based on that. But its certainly headed that way.
 

chthonic-anemos

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tad10

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Yeah it really is amazing how people just dont care. .
Yeah but maybe they're the smart ones? Does it really matter since in 15-20 years we're all fucked due to (take your pick) Great Depression II, Sea Level Rise, Chinese Pollution, Bee Death, etc.

I mean I'm pissed off about the NSA (or I wouldn't be in this thread) but on some level does it really matter when we're all fucked relatively soon?
 

W4RH34D_sl

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Yeah but maybe they're the smart ones? Does it really matter since in 15-20 years we're all fucked due to (take your pick) Great Depression II, Sea Level Rise, Chinese Pollution, Bee Death, etc.

I mean I'm pissed off about the NSA (or I wouldn't be in this thread) but on some level does it really matter when we're all fucked relatively soon?
People are obviously not willing to fight for it. Our ancestors were.
 

tad10

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People are obviously not willing to fight for it. Our ancestors were.
On the bright side when the asteroid/solar flare/great depression/north korean nuke/bee dieoff/smallpox happens it won't matter anymore. The NSA fuckwads are all going down too.

Edit: How could I forget racewar?
 

W4RH34D_sl

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Don't forget your Starship Trooper's lesson. "...force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived."

Whoever fights and wins is the authority.
 

tad10

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Don't forget your Starship Trooper's lesson. "...force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived."

Whoever fights and wins is the authority.
a.k.a History is written by the winners.
 

iannis

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Trouble is, I don't see how you fight against it. You've basically got 2 options: armed revolution or getting off the internet. When Amazon and Ebay and everything else shit themselves because of government interference youwillsee policy change. In politics you either fight with dollars or you fight with bullets. Those are the currencies that back every vote.

Lets be honest, the second option iswayeasier than the first. It involves about the same amount of violence but it doesn't involve as much death. It tends to be more effective for promoting lasting change as well. But where are the "freedom fighters" screaming their rally calls? On the internet.

You're not going to find a big party candidate who considers this is singular platform issue. Because it's important but it's not important enough to get a single federal representative elected to a single federal seat if this is his one issue. All his opponent has to do is ask in the debate, "Do you realize that we use this to spy on banks too?" So I have to reiterate. Besides for bullets or dollars, how do you think "the people rise up against the tyrant". How do you think that works?Exactly. There are only two ways to do it. There have only ever been two ways to do it. An Army forms and they either go on strike, or they start shooting anyone not wearing their colors.

I mean do you understand that to effect the sort of changes that you guys want, it may even be the form that we need (I am not wholly unsympathetic), Americans would have to go without cellphones for a while? Do you actually understand that? Because I don't think you do. We'd have to live likesavages. Even Iranians have cellphones. In order to guide this you have to install a regulatory agencytoguide this. And you can make the exact argument you're making against the NSA against any other regulatory agency.

Best case, this revitalizes an Occupy type of movement. But it's not like Cancer-man is a bond villian. Maybe if you can prove that Cancer Man is killing journalists who dare to ask what his name is instead of pretending to be e-Patrick Henries you can start a revolution. Beyond that...

The surveillance has to be regulated. At this point, it will not be destroyed. You want to change this? Pay attention to the judges you're electing next time you go vote. Fuck the Congressmen, fuck the Senators, and even fuck the President. They're worthless when it comes to this issue. It's the judges that are the men who will be appointed or promoted in 10-15 years, and they are the men who will be in a position to change this.
 

tad10

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Trouble is, I don't see how you fight against it. You've basically got 2 options: armed revolution or getting off the internet.
Armed revolution is only happening if the Feds try to go after Texans' guns. So yes I agree, the NSA wins this round.

And as usual, to the NSA analyst reading this thread, I sincerely hope you die painfully and slowly in a car accident on the way home from work.
 

Malakriss

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Believing an analyst is reading this thread is as sad as believing [insert your next desired game] developers are reading this message board.
 

chthonic-anemos

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This was on reuters but was taken down and replaced with fluff soon after. The article might only be removed from the .com page.
 

Pancreas

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An armed revolution will not work in America because it will never get to the level of coordination needed for it to succeed. The NSA, FBI, CIA and any other government agency that may examine the activities of the public with a critical eye have been aware of the potential threat of an armed revolt for a long time now. Which explains their aggressive pursuit of domestic militia groups.

In order for any potential uprising to occur it needs a stable and independent method of communication. This allows the members of the revolt to spread ideology, recruit new members, and plan and execute their actions while hopefully avoiding retaliation. That is why social media has become so integral in many of the Arab spring movements. It gave the population an uncensored space to share ideas, and coordinate actions.

If those nations had employed extensive digital surveillance programs, many of these revolts would have been crushed before they began. However, the companies that ran the media networks felt no obligation to work with the governments that were being threatened by their use. Here in the U.S., it is another matter.

We have several regulatory bodies that could put extensive pressure on service providers to shut down any communication networks utilized by dissenters and combatants. The government forces that would be fighting to maintain control would have full access to incredible networks. That is a huge disadvantage for any attempt at revolt.

So I think a complete overthrow of the government is almost impossible through armed resistance. The only hope such a movement would have, would be to try and lure government forces into causing extensive collateral damage to try and incite outrage in the remaining populace. This would weaken government support, but alone it would not be enough to enact change, much less improvement. The only real result from such activity would be ever increasingly stringent and direct control measures from the government to try and prevent further actions of that nature.

The government security organizations thrive on attacks and terrorism right now. These events fuel their efforts like nothing else. Every attack gives them huge pull with the american public to go further with their control programs. So an attack may force a reaction from the government that causes them to lose public approval. However, if they simply dole out a measured response and instead use the attacks as an excuse to seize more power, then such a program of revolt would be very counter productive.

If the U.S. government experiences an extensive weakening through economic collapse, then their ability to combat a revolt will be greatly hindered. Also social unrest will be heightened due to the poor economy, so finding support for such a movement would be easier. As long as people think they can purchase some happiness, then they will not want to disrupt the system and will actively work to support it. Take that away and people want change, drastic or otherwise.