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Patriot Act author: Obama's intel czar should be prosecuted | TheHill

Justice Department should prosecute Clapper for giving false testimony during a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing in March.

During that hearing, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) asked Clapper whether the National Security Agency (NSA) collects data on millions of Americans. Clapper insisted that the NSA does not ? or at least does "not wittingly" ? collect information on Americans in bulk.

After documents leaked by Edward Snowden revealed that the NSA collects records on virtually all U.S. phone calls, Clapper apologized for the misleading comment.

The intelligence director said he tried to give the "least untruthful" answer he could without revealing classified information.
Sensenbrenner said that explanation doesn?t hold water and argued the courts and Congress depend on accurate testimony to do their jobs.

"The only way laws are effective is if they're enforced," Sensenbrenner said. "If it's a criminal offense ? and I believe Mr. Clapper has committed a criminal offense ? then the Justice Department ought to do its job."
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Partisan bullshit. Of course I'd rather they be truthful, but this is purely political. Sensenbrenner was basically Gonzales' tool when the latter was questioned. He lobbed softballs that Gonzales had already covered.
 
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Agraza_sl said:
Partisan bullshit. Of course I'd rather they be truthful, but this is purely political. Sensenbrenner was basically Gonzales' tool when the latter was questioned. He lobbed softballs that Gonzales had already covered.
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I dunno it all centers on secret courts interpreting laws in secret, in this case section 215 of the patriot act, then they only tell a handful of senators and the whole thing goes on without any oversight at all. You guys get caught up in "partison rehtoric" but this is a clear cut case of just outright lying.

It pales in comparison when Obama tried feabily to say "nobody is listening to your phone calls" and it's "only metadata" remember those lines?
 
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If we're going after people for violations of privacy and civil rights I want the architects of the patriot act first. He doesn't get to distance himself from the activities taking place due to the legislation he put together. Republicans constantly shout personal responsibility, but he is passing the buck.
 
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No bro, it all centers on one side trying to push all the shit over the line so the other side has sole responsibility for it. Sensenbrenner doesn't giver a fuck about who lied when unless it benefits him and his party politically.
 
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I guess but they really did take a passage from the act and interpret it exactly the opposite way it should be in a secret court with no oversite, they went from getting taps with a warrant by re interpreting phrasing like "relevant info" to mean collect a haystack to find the needle, the vast majority of the information isn't "relevant" but they claim it all is.

if you write a law and it's interpreted exactly opposite as you wrote it I gotta say you aren't as culpable.
 
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So then your position is that Obama isn't as culpable for the insurance companies refusing to grandfather plans in accordance with the intent of the PPACA as the insurers themselves?
 
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Bullshit again. You keep talking up this interpretation issue as if this is some new law, not something from 10 years ago that was in use prior to the current administration. Which is coincidentally about the time that Sensenbrenner (among others) felt the burning desire to speak up about this heinous abuse! He fucked up, he gave the NSA (among others) the keys to the kingdom, now he wants to pretend he didn't intend for that, I call bullshit.
 
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Agraza_sl said:
So then your position is that Obama isn't as culpable for the insurance companies refusing to grandfather plans in accordance with the intent of the PPACA as the insurers themselves?
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bad analogy, clearly the exchanges only work if you herd individual market into them, it was the intent and design of the law not an "interpretation"
 
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It's clear there was an agenda to push all this NSA stuff through that went farther back than 9/11

here's a commision report of a US national security review it was the largest since 1947. It lays out recommended changes that government should make to handle "security" in the 21'st century. Homeland security, tsa, restructing of government to handle domestic terrorists, this was commisioned in like 1998, this was already the direction everything was going, 9/11 just accelerated it. So it wasn't just the scribbling of sensenbrenner that brought us this stuff. it was already coming. The patriot act was signed by bush on oct 26, 2001 that's way to fast to write a huge national law like that, the vast majority of those laws where already written and waiting.

U.S. Commission on National Security/21st Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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fucking post editing mother fucker_sl said:
here's the us national security review it was the largest since 1947 and it lays out recomended changes that government should make to handle "security" in the 21'st century. Homeland security, nsa, restructing of government to handle domestic terrorists, this was commisioned in like 1998, this was already the direction everything was going 9/11 just accelerated it.
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Not that he's wrong. Sure, this has been coming for a while, largely due to industry being given too much weight in these discussions. They have a mission, OF COURSe they are going to tell you they need the world to carry out that mission, and OF COURSE they are going to go all the way to the edge of what is acceptable to carry that mission out. Congress' job is to set limitations, not enable them.
 
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I feel like we went temporarily insane as a nation and it took like 10 years to calm down.
 
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But we get to freeze frame all the cool stuff on the wall screens that they obviously scrubbed down to the known and unclassified topics.
 
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