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fanaskin · Jun 25, 2013

Yes all promises must always be kept, honor is not a man made construct and is not misused in any way by authority.

a_skeleton_03 · Jun 25, 2013

Araysar_sl said:
This isn't the 1970s with Daniel Ellsberg anymore, brah.

The consumption and dissemination of information has changed. Get with the times, grandpa.

Exactly, he didn't need to release tidbit by tidbit so that everyone could read it in the newspaper week by week in the Sunday edition.

He releases EVERYTHING immediately.

Vatoreus Malfost_sl · Jun 25, 2013

a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Exactly, he didn't need to release tidbit by tidbit so that everyone could read it in the newspaper week by week in the Sunday edition.

He releases EVERYTHING immediately.

And within a week, the news has moved onto something new and shiny, and forgets that Snowden ever existed.

fanaskin · Jun 25, 2013

a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Exactly, he didn't need to release tidbit by tidbit so that everyone could read it in the newspaper week by week in the Sunday edition.

He releases EVERYTHING immediately.

and he wasn't immediatley thrown in jail for it either, you keep missing that part.

a_skeleton_03 · Jun 25, 2013

Vatoreus Malfost_sl said:
So if tomorrow, a North Korean officer or high ranking military member releases a shit ton of classified North Korean information that could assist in bringing that regime down, he should be ignored and shipped back to Kim Jong-Un for summery execution?

North Korea should try to track him down and kill or apprehend him and their allies will do everything they can to turn him over to them or kill him themselves. Anyone country would do the same.

We would take advantage of that information just as much as any other country would take advantage of this information and any more stuff he claims that he has.

Eorkern · Jun 25, 2013

a_skeleton_03_sl said:
Exactly, he didn't need to release tidbit by tidbit so that everyone could read it in the newspaper week by week in the Sunday edition.

He releases EVERYTHING immediately.

his goal was to get that shit known by as much people as possible, I don't know the best way to do it but he thought that way was the best for what was available to him.

a_skeleton_03 · Jun 25, 2013

fanaskin_sl said:
and he wasn't immediatley thrown in jail for it either, you keep missing that part.

So you are saying that since Snowden only released a tiny tidbit of information that is the only reason he is out of jail or still alive?!?! Are you kidding me?!?

chaos · Jun 25, 2013

Vatoreus Malfost_sl said:
So if tomorrow, a North Korean officer or high ranking military member releases a shit ton of classified North Korean information that could assist in bringing that regime down, he should be ignored and shipped back to Kim Jong-Un for summery execution?

I'm not sure bro, do we generally work with North Korea? Do I really give much of a shit what happens to North Koreans?

A more fitting analogy might be a British citizen revealing classified information about a similar program in England. And I would say yes, absolutely, send his ass back to stand trial.

a_skeleton_03 · Jun 25, 2013

Vatoreus Malfost_sl said:
And within a week, the news has moved onto something new and shiny, and forgets that Snowden ever existed.

Him being a shithead is taking care of that problem alone. If he was going for theatrics he should have gone all "Anonymous" or Deep Throat.

Vatoreus Malfost_sl · Jun 25, 2013

a_skeleton_03_sl said:
North Korea should try to track him down and kill or apprehend him and their allies will do everything they can to turn him over to them or kill him themselves. Anyone country would do the same.

We would take advantage of that information just as much as any other country would take advantage of this information and any more stuff he claims that he has.

But he broke a law and by your two's standing, he should be handed over to the authorities.

a_skeleton_03 · Jun 25, 2013

Eorkern_sl said:
his goal was to get that shit known by as much people as possible, I don't know the best way to do it but he thought that way was the best for what was available to him.

The best way to get out information to as many people as possible is to not release it all? That is odd.

Eorkern · Jun 25, 2013

is to release it the way he did ?

a_skeleton_03 · Jun 25, 2013

Vatoreus Malfost_sl said:
But he broke a law and by your two's standing, he should be handed over to the authorities.

That is exactly what I said ....

This guy broke our laws, we don't need another Roman Polanski thumbing his nose at us.

chaos · Jun 25, 2013

Vatoreus Malfost_sl said:
But he broke a law and by your two's standing, he should be handed over to the authorities.

Yes, only a_skeleton_03 and I are of the quite controversial opinion that people should stand trial for crimes they commit.

Skanda · Jun 25, 2013

Speaking of Daniel Ellsberg:Edward Snowden: Saving us from the United Stasi of America

One relevant quote

There are legitimate reasons for secrecy, and specifically for secrecy about communications intelligence. That's why Bradley Mannning and I -bothof whom had access to such intelligence with clearances higher than top-secret - chose not to disclose any information with that classification. And it is whyEdward Snowdenhas committed himself to withhold publication of most of what he might have revealed.

So it seem we still have to see if he will continue to "release tidbit by tidbit" or if he's pretty much done.

a_skeleton_03 · Jun 25, 2013

Eorkern_sl said:
is to release it the way he did ?

He only released some of it ... how is that getting as much information to as many people as possible?

If I have 1,000 pages of information and I only give out 10 how am I helping get the information out?

Vatoreus Malfost_sl · Jun 25, 2013

chaos_sl said:
I'm not sure bro, do we generally work with North Korea? Do I really give much of a shit what happens to North Koreans?

A more fitting analogy might be a British citizen revealing classified information about a similar program in England. And I would say yes, absolutely, send his ass back to stand trial.

So, it's only ok to subvert authority is if it isn't yours? It's ok to break some laws, but not others? I'm arguing you on the principle of your belief and the only thing you can come at me with is some bullshit Nationalism crap? Weak.

TrollfaceDeux · Jun 25, 2013

bullshit nationalism crap holds up in the court, so it is a legitimate argument.

a_skeleton_03 · Jun 25, 2013

Vatoreus Malfost_sl said:
So, it's only ok to subvert authority is if it isn't yours? It's ok to break some laws, but not others? I'm arguing you on the principle of your belief and the only thing you can come at me with is some bullshit Nationalism crap? Weak.

What are you talking about? That is THEIR mess to clean up. This is OUR mess to clean up.

I don't care what other people do in other countries. Isn't that what got us into Iraq and Afghanistan?

You are a special kind of moron aren't you?

fanaskin · Jun 25, 2013

a_skeleton_03_sl said:
So you are saying that since Snowden only released a tiny tidbit of information that is the only reason he is out of jail or still alive?!?! Are you kidding me?!?

No i'm saying having a "war on whistle blowers" is directly contrary to have a more "free and open" society.

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