Kirun
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It's pretty damn frightening how easily and thoroughly these dolts end up brainwashed.
The NSA watches you poop.
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chaos
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Well they're not collecting right now, that we know of. We just know they have the capability to collect.
The statement about "grave damage" doesn't necessarily just refer tot he PRIZM program. It could be anything, we can't know the full extent of the impact of what he released. Just like with Manning, the impact of what he released can have far reaching impact.
fanaskin
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Let's remember how this program started before we confidently declare it legitimate.
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/2...ives_on_inside
Following public outcry, the program was halted primarily because of privacy concerns, but also because its main advocate was John Poindexter, known for his involvement with the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s.
It now appears that the project "was stopped in name only" and that TIA is in fact continuing. The National Journal reports that TIA was moved from the Pentagon?s research-and-development agency?known by its acronym DARPA?to another group, which builds technologies primarily for the NSA. The names of key projects were changed, apparently to conceal their identities, but their funding remained intact, often under the same contracts.
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/2/2...ives_on_inside
Following public outcry, the program was halted primarily because of privacy concerns, but also because its main advocate was John Poindexter, known for his involvement with the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s.
It now appears that the project "was stopped in name only" and that TIA is in fact continuing. The National Journal reports that TIA was moved from the Pentagon?s research-and-development agency?known by its acronym DARPA?to another group, which builds technologies primarily for the NSA. The names of key projects were changed, apparently to conceal their identities, but their funding remained intact, often under the same contracts.
It's real simple. Resign your position. Put in a FOIA request.
Contact your congress person. Ask for an IG inspection. There are so many avenues he could have done.
OR go ahead and blow that whistle. Stick around for the trial. Don't let them question your validity because you are out there hiding. You know, like every other successful whistle blower ever.
I didn't say the article was right, but our justice system is pretty terrible. Shit, wasn't there that prison in Mississippi that just got outed as being so bad that inmates were shitting onto styrofoam plates and keeping rats as pets? That's totally the prison system of an advanced western nation right there.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...prison/276420/
Leave the western nation then and try the others. I have a Marine still in jail eating fish heads and rice because a hooker decided she wanted a pay day and said he raped her.
fanaskin
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How can an observer not help but notice that the easiest to see "grave damage" is the reputation of leaders or institutions who where in charge when the conduct was exposed? Is that not a natural reason to declare anything of this nature "grave damage". Do you honestly think dick Cheney or the NSA director we have on tape lying to congress, isn't interested in promoting the idea that constructing this secret surveillance program is legitimate, there's a natural motive for him to declare snowmen a traitor.
chaos
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No, it isn't. And there are rules, probably laws, preventing that. As well as an executive order.
fanaskin
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a_skeleton_03 or Chaos care to comment about the NSA director lying to congress?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeavcYV4EMc
Groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the Electronic Frontier Foundation have been seeking this kind of information for years. But until Edward Snowden's leaks, the government has steadfastly refused their requests,arguing that any public discussion of the programs would endanger national security.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d-for-the-nsa/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeavcYV4EMc
Groups like the American Civil Liberties Union and the Electronic Frontier Foundation have been seeking this kind of information for years. But until Edward Snowden's leaks, the government has steadfastly refused their requests,arguing that any public discussion of the programs would endanger national security.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d-for-the-nsa/
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fanaskin
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We went over this already there is nowhere to run, the battle for freedom(free and open societies) or Tyranny(central authortarian police state) as the world globalizes begins and ends with America.
Separate issue bro. I am not supporting and have never said I supported what the NSA is or isn't doing. Unlike you though I know that we don't even have a fraction of the whole story yet and I am not a peroxide guzzling moron that hears a story that aligns with how I feel about how evil the government is so I jump on it. You are a known conspiracy nut so if you are all over this whole thing being 100% fact I probably won't agree when the dust settles.
Snowden is a different issue here.
chaos
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I don't know. When did he lie? I can't watch that video at work, but the article doesn't saying anything about him lying.
fanaskin
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Multiple times, this is probably the best example
http://www.forbes.com/sites/seanlaws...mestic-spying/
Finally, as recently March 12, 2013, in a hearing of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Sen. Wyden had this exchange with Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who was under oath:
Wyden: Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?
Clapper: No sir.
Wyden: It does not?
Clapper: Not wittingly.
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Now is he allowed to lie to congress because it's "classified' and is that immoral?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/seanlaws...mestic-spying/
Finally, as recently March 12, 2013, in a hearing of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Sen. Wyden had this exchange with Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who was under oath:
Wyden: Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?
Clapper: No sir.
Wyden: It does not?
Clapper: Not wittingly.
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Now is he allowed to lie to congress because it's "classified' and is that immoral?
fanaskin
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This is the program he exposed, and Yes I will yield the point that as a government you don't want independent people running around with things that are classified, on principle. but come on man we don't live in a vacuum, it is relevant.
fanaskin
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He lied about the collection of data, he pretended it didn't exist Snowden hadn't "blown the whistle" yet, he was straight up lying to congress about the nature of the "secret program".
Here is a congressman asking the nsa director direct questions under oath and he didn't tell the truth. Now they come around and say "well the FISA court makes it legal" but besides the fact that the fisa court is NOT transparency that's a statement made after they where caught lying, and was not disclosed to the public.
We live in a vacuum that Snowden is a piece of shit. That is reality. He is absolutely in this for himself. He is NOT a hero. He is a guy trying to make a name and a buck for himself. He needs to be tried for treason and then go to jail. No death penalty. Doesn't even need to be life.