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chaos

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tad10_sl said:
NO.
No.
Noooooooooooo.
Stop with the bulshit.

They get everybodies data and analyze the exabytes+ of data. i.e. data mining. Which is why people like the Tsaernaves were completely overlooked.
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bro, how is what you said different than what I just said? Except that I was specifically refering to how they (supposedly) use encrypted data. When jimmies get too rustled this is the kind of shit that happens.

BoldW, I trust Steve Gibson and he had some solid nonclasssified infoz on what they are doing specific to encrypted data. Very interesting stuff. Anyway, right now I still haven't seen anything verifying they are doing wholesale collection, but they admitted openly to snagging all encrypted data which makes me think it may be true. Hells bells, trudy.
 
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"The request to add a new target is passed automatically to a supervisor who reviews the "selectors," or search terms. The supervisor must endorse the analyst's "reasonable belief," defined as 51 percent confidence, that the specified target is a foreign national who is overseas at the time of collection."

Laugh out loud.
 
Malakriss

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So they'd have issues even if it's a legitimate target who roams in the US because that's the FBI domain, and I'm sure there's no such thing as a smooth handoff when that occurs.
 
chaos

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According to those slides, the info is only that which they get from FISA warrants only ob foreign nationals and is routed through the fbi. A far cry from what some people are saying, which is why I keep wondering where the documentation beyond Snowden's word is.

After hearing what they said in front of Congress about encrypted data though, I would believe it.
 
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Beef Supreme_sl

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chaos_sl said:
According to those slides, the info is only that which they get from FISA warrants only ob foreign nationals and is routed through the fbi. A far cry from what some people are saying, which is why I keep wondering where the documentation beyond Snowden's word is.

After hearing what they said in front of Congress about encrypted data though, I would believe it.
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Only if they are 51% sure it's a foreign national.
 
Malakriss

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Beef Supreme_sl said:
"The request to add a new target is passed automatically to a supervisor who reviews the "selectors," or search terms. The supervisor must endorse the analyst's "reasonable belief," defined as 51 percent confidence, that the specified target is a foreign national who is overseas at the time of collection."

Laugh out loud.
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Beef Supreme_sl said:
Only if they are 51% sure it's a foreign national.
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Beef is demonstrating the stupidity and lack of comprehension the bottom-feeder population has in one sentence. In their mind there's buildings with entire floors full of unassigned analysts lurking around the internet randomly flipping any new google terms to their supervisors because hey they're talking bad on some gaming forums. It's not like these guys would work in specific offices that are interested in select groups, right? They're hiring people by the busloads to research the hidden scat and gore screenshots threat by issuing warrants to search for everyone named "Sean"

Clearly the government is suffering a shortage of English linguists with backgrounds in the trollese dialect who are familiar with the native customs of the east coast.
 
tad10

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Malakriss_sl said:
In their mind there's buildings with entire floors full of unassigned analysts lurking around the internet randomly flipping any new google terms to their supervisors because hey they're talking bad on some gaming forums.
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I'm curious of Requiem or Draegen evergot a national-security letter.
 
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tad10_sl said:
I'm curious of Requiem or Draegen evergot a national-security letter.
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Why would they? Just tap the backbone or some, if that fails ask the brits to spy on your targets or just pretend they are foreigners / illegal immigrants all along.
 
chaos

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Malakriss_sl said:
Beef is demonstrating the stupidity and lack of comprehension the bottom-feeder population has in one sentence. In their mind there's buildings with entire floors full of unassigned analysts lurking around the internet randomly flipping any new google terms to their supervisors because hey they're talking bad on some gaming forums. It's not like these guys would work in specific offices that are interested in select groups, right? They're hiring people by the busloads to research the hidden scat and gore screenshots threat by issuing warrants to search for everyone named "Sean"

Clearly the government is suffering a shortage of English linguists with backgrounds in the trollese dialect who are familiar with the native customs of the east coast.
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Yeah. Like I said before, intelligence oversight rules have been in place forever. We've always had rules defining "reasonable suspicion" that a person of interest is not a US citizen, which would require amped up rational and safeguards for storage/processing. Most people just never gave it much thought that hey, the CIA or military intelligence or whoever might have been collecting on an 'Murrican like 20 years ago, way before all of this.
 
khalid

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chaos_sl said:
Yeah. Like I said before, intelligence oversight rules have been in place forever. We've always had rules defining "reasonable suspicion" that a person of interest is not a US citizen, which would require amped up rational and safeguards for storage/processing.
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You are right, intelligence oversight rules have been in place forever. However, rules that sounded fine 10 years ago when they were only tapping overseas phone lines don't seem nearly sufficient when we are moving to almost ubiquitous surveillance. It is completely rational for someone to have been fine with the oversight rules before but after the various leaks recently, to be quite worried at the direction.
 
chaos

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Well that's the thing, those rules weren't just used for tapping overseas phone lines before. Collection of signals intelligence, human intelligence, etc. It was all covered. None of that is to say that people shouldn't be very concerned. But the only difference between now and then is the medium, as far as the "collection" process goes. Wholesale interception of internet data is something completely different, though.
 
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