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fanaskin

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well maybe if we could see the secret records from the secret court we'd have a better understanding.
 

chaos

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If it was releasable, then there would be no need for the court. What you want is better oversight, which I think we definitely need.
 

Beef Supreme_sl

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FISA should be disbanded and outlawed via international laws. FISA is a constitutional phantom zone where our government goes to avoid and bypass it.
 

ZyyzYzzy

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FISA should be disbanded and outlawed via international laws. FISA is a constitutional phantom zone where our government goes to avoid and bypass it.
Yep. All the FISA judges are lizard men hell bent on world domination and the enslavement of mankind. Or maybe FISA documents aren't publicly released because letting your enemies and individuals who are actively planning attacks against you that you are targeting them is common sense.
 

Beef Supreme_sl

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Yep. All the FISA judges are lizard men hell bent on world domination and the enslavement of mankind. Or maybe FISA documents aren't publicly released because letting your enemies and individuals who are actively planning attacks against you that you are targeting them is common sense.
If you have state secrets so dire than you need something like FISA, then you done goof'd.
 

Beef Supreme_sl

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Lawl "international law". You crack me up sometimes.
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ZyyzYzzy

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Beef Supreme thinks everyone in the world wants to get along except for federal workers and elected officials in the United States. That every country wants to work with us and be our friend, not get as much information as they can to increase their global dominance while decreasing ours. International law is a joke at this point in history, sorry bro.
 

Malakriss

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If people were really making 200k a year by scanning reddit and flipping a coin as to whether they should get a warrant for each new user, we wouldn't have unemployment.
 

tad10

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So Snowden has applied for Asylum in the USSR. Had Obama just offered the guy a pardon right off the bat he and his laptops would be sitting happily in D.C. instead of Moscow, the NSA story would be dead and we'd all be talking about the idiocy of naming your baby North West instead. Fuckin' Obama.
 

Neki

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Snowden 'seeks asylum in Russia' - BBC News

US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden has applied to Russia for political asylum, Russian officials say.

Foreign ministry consul Kim Shevchenko said the request was made on Sunday night. The Kremlin has made no comment.

The 30-year-old former CIA analyst is believed to be holed up in a Moscow airport hotel.

Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Mr Snowden was welcome to stay as long as he stopped "inflicting damage on our American partners"
Washington going to have tons of rustled jimmies if Russia grants his asylum.
 

chaos

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So Snowden has applied for Asylum in the USSR. Had Obama just offered the guy a pardon right off the bat he and his laptops would be sitting happily in D.C. instead of Moscow, the NSA story would be dead and we'd all be talking about the idiocy of naming your baby North West instead. Fuckin' Obama.
Yes, if Obama had only overlooked the pattern of federal crimes that occurred over years resulting in the releasing of top secret information and the blackmail of the government... that goddamn Obama...
 

Beef Supreme_sl

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Why is it a crime to reveal crimes?

At the end of the day, the US and GB's programs are unlawful violations of a cornucopia of laws. There is no prescient need for programs of that width and breadth to even exist in the first place; all they do is empower a woefully corrupt and misaligned government(s) and further alienate the population(s) thereof.
 

Agraza

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While it does feel like we've gone too far, it also seems like a complete inevitability that all advanced countries enter into this territory. If we don't pioneer this shit someone else will, and we'll be fucked playing catch-up. It would be rather nice for this to be a bigger issue in politics as far as elections go, but apparently no one is allowed to talk about it. So how do we select representation to oversee these things when they can't discuss what's going on?
 

iannis

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Yes, if Obama had only overlooked the pattern of federal crimes that occurred over years resulting in the releasing of top secret information and the blackmail of the government... that goddamn Obama...
Oh man if Obama had offered him a pardon even -I- would be raged. And I certainly don't think that Snowden deserves to DIE (capital offense -- that means our righteous government is threatening his ass with summary execution) for his crime. But an Obama pardon?

Tad would have had to made some room on the conspiracy bench, cause my ass would be sitting right next to him and we'd play a fun game of "who can yell the loudest?"
 

Beef Supreme_sl

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While it does feel like we've gone too far, it also seems like a complete inevitability that all advanced countries enter into this territory. If we don't pioneer this shit someone else will, and we'll be fucked playing catch-up. It would be rather nice for this to be a bigger issue in politics as far as elections go, but apparently no one is allowed to talk about it. So how do we select representation to oversee these things when they can't discuss what's going on?
Our country, before becoming embroiled in the politics and wars of Europe, was not going down this "inevitability" trajectory. I think it's a logical fallacy to believe that all this is destined to happen.

It may be human desire to want to know everything, but our hubris does not mean it has to be manifest.
 

TomServo

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Chaos I suspect you don't hold an sort of meaningful clearance if you are on the boards all damn day shilling.
 

iannis

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He's assigned to monitor the junkie network.

Apparently we've got a lot of blacks up in here. Who knew? It stands to reason probably some muslims too.