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Who knows. This shit is still playing out. Once the dust settles, we can debate the mistakes and miscues of Snowden's game plan.
iannis
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As a tangential issue we have a clear picture of this is what President Kerry would have looked like.
MISS HIM YET?
Oh Christ. Kerry is going to run again isn't he? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooo.
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MISS HIM YET?
Oh Christ. Kerry is going to run again isn't he? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooo.
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He could be on his way out of Russia - but if so, he might have problems:
"Bolivian President Evo Morales's plane has been diverted to Austria amid suspicion that US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden is on board, the foreign minister has said.
David Choquehuanca denied that Mr Snowden was on the plane.
France and Portugal reportedly refused to allow the flight to cross their airspace."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23156360
If he's not on board then there'll be one pissed-off president sitting on a runway in Vienna.
"Bolivian President Evo Morales's plane has been diverted to Austria amid suspicion that US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden is on board, the foreign minister has said.
David Choquehuanca denied that Mr Snowden was on the plane.
France and Portugal reportedly refused to allow the flight to cross their airspace."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23156360
If he's not on board then there'll be one pissed-off president sitting on a runway in Vienna.
Diverting a diplomatic flight seems like a pretty drastic measure. Moreover, wouldn't the plane be "protected" space -- e.g. even if he were on the plane, I don't see how it could be searched or how he could be forcibly removed. Nor could you detain a foreign president until he allowed such.
Are they just refueling and leaving via a different route?
Are they just refueling and leaving via a different route?
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I really would like to see people in these governments who wield illegitimate power be killed.
By all rights Bolivia should execute any EU diplomatic personnel immediately.
By all rights Bolivia should execute any EU diplomatic personnel immediately.
I can't see them boarding the plane, that would be like going into an embassy, a precedent we don't want to set. They are probably trying to find a new route home. I don't think France or Portugal will be getting any Christmas cards this year from Bolivia.
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Edward Snowden's father writes open letter to NSA whistleblower in Moscow
Lon Snowden pens open letter with his attorney in response to a statement issued by his son Edward Snowden from Moscow
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Edward Snowden has been caught in legal limbo in the transit zone of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport since his arrival from Hong Kong. Photograph: Sergei Grits/AP
Here is the text of the open letter Lon Snowden, along with his attorney, Bruce Fein, wrote to US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden. The letter was provided to the Associated Press.
July 2, 2013
Edward Joseph Snowden
Moscow
Dear Edward:
I, Bruce Fein, am writing this letter in collaboration with your father in response to the statement you issued yesterday in Moscow.
Thomas Paine, the voice of the American Revolution, trumpeted that a patriot saves his country from his government.
What you have done and are doing has awakened congressional oversight of the intelligence community from deep slumber; and, has already provoked the introduction of remedial legislation in Congress to curtail spying abuses under section 215 of the Patriot Act and section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. You have forced onto the national agenda the question of whether the American people prefer the right to be left alone from government snooping absent probable cause to believe crime is afoot to vassalage in hopes of a risk-free existence. You are a modern day Paul Revere summoning the American people to confront the growing danger of tyranny and one branch government.
In contrast to your actions, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper responded last March as follows to an unambiguous question raised by Senator Ron Wyden:
"Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" Clapper testified, "No sir, it does not." Wyden asked for clarification, and Clapper hedged: "Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect, but not wittingly."
Director Clapper later defended his stupendous mendacity to the Senator as the least untruthful answer possible. President Obama has not publicly rebuked the Director for frustrating the right of the people to know what their government is doing and to force changes if necessary through peaceful democratic processes. That is the meaning of government by the consent of the governed. "We the people" are sovereign under the U.S. Constitution, and government officials are entrusted with stewardship (not destruction) of our liberties.
We leave it to the American people to decide whether you or Director Clapper is the superior patriot.
The history of civilization is a history of brave men and women refusing to bow to government wrongdoing or injustice, and exalting knowledge, virtue, wisdom, and selflessness over creature comforts as the North Star of life. We believe your actions fall within that honorable tradition, a conviction we believe is shared by many.
As regards your reduction to de facto statelessness occasioned by the Executive Branch to penalize your alleged violations of the Espionage Act, the United States Supreme Court lectured in Trop v. Dulles (1958): "The civilized nations of the world are in virtual unanimity that statelessness is not to be imposed as punishment for crime."
We think you would agree that the final end of the state is to make men and women free to develop their faculties, not to seek planetary domination through force, violence or spying. All Americans should have a fair opportunity to pursue their ambitions. Politics should not be a football game with winners and losers featuring juvenile taunts over fumbles or missteps.
Irrespective of life's vicissitudes, we will be unflagging in efforts to educate the American people about the impending ruination of the Constitution and the rule of law unless they abandon their complacency or indifference. Your actions are making our challenge easier.
We encourage you to engage us in regular exchanges of ideas or thoughts about approaches to curing or mitigating the hugely suboptimal political culture of the United States. Nothing less is required to pay homage to Valley Forge, Cemetery Ridge, Omaha Beach, and other places of great sacrifice.
Very truly yours,
Bruce Fein
Counsel for Lon Snowden
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Edward Snowden has been caught in legal limbo in the transit zone of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport since his arrival from Hong Kong. Photograph: Sergei Grits/AP
Here is the text of the open letter Lon Snowden, along with his attorney, Bruce Fein, wrote to US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden. The letter was provided to the Associated Press.
July 2, 2013
Edward Joseph Snowden
Moscow
Dear Edward:
I, Bruce Fein, am writing this letter in collaboration with your father in response to the statement you issued yesterday in Moscow.
Thomas Paine, the voice of the American Revolution, trumpeted that a patriot saves his country from his government.
What you have done and are doing has awakened congressional oversight of the intelligence community from deep slumber; and, has already provoked the introduction of remedial legislation in Congress to curtail spying abuses under section 215 of the Patriot Act and section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. You have forced onto the national agenda the question of whether the American people prefer the right to be left alone from government snooping absent probable cause to believe crime is afoot to vassalage in hopes of a risk-free existence. You are a modern day Paul Revere summoning the American people to confront the growing danger of tyranny and one branch government.
In contrast to your actions, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper responded last March as follows to an unambiguous question raised by Senator Ron Wyden:
"Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" Clapper testified, "No sir, it does not." Wyden asked for clarification, and Clapper hedged: "Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect, but not wittingly."
Director Clapper later defended his stupendous mendacity to the Senator as the least untruthful answer possible. President Obama has not publicly rebuked the Director for frustrating the right of the people to know what their government is doing and to force changes if necessary through peaceful democratic processes. That is the meaning of government by the consent of the governed. "We the people" are sovereign under the U.S. Constitution, and government officials are entrusted with stewardship (not destruction) of our liberties.
We leave it to the American people to decide whether you or Director Clapper is the superior patriot.
The history of civilization is a history of brave men and women refusing to bow to government wrongdoing or injustice, and exalting knowledge, virtue, wisdom, and selflessness over creature comforts as the North Star of life. We believe your actions fall within that honorable tradition, a conviction we believe is shared by many.
As regards your reduction to de facto statelessness occasioned by the Executive Branch to penalize your alleged violations of the Espionage Act, the United States Supreme Court lectured in Trop v. Dulles (1958): "The civilized nations of the world are in virtual unanimity that statelessness is not to be imposed as punishment for crime."
We think you would agree that the final end of the state is to make men and women free to develop their faculties, not to seek planetary domination through force, violence or spying. All Americans should have a fair opportunity to pursue their ambitions. Politics should not be a football game with winners and losers featuring juvenile taunts over fumbles or missteps.
Irrespective of life's vicissitudes, we will be unflagging in efforts to educate the American people about the impending ruination of the Constitution and the rule of law unless they abandon their complacency or indifference. Your actions are making our challenge easier.
We encourage you to engage us in regular exchanges of ideas or thoughts about approaches to curing or mitigating the hugely suboptimal political culture of the United States. Nothing less is required to pay homage to Valley Forge, Cemetery Ridge, Omaha Beach, and other places of great sacrifice.
Very truly yours,
Bruce Fein
Counsel for Lon Snowden
Lon Snowden
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NSA records 1 billion calls per day. Not just records of calls, but records the actual content
NSA records 1 billion calls per day. Not just records of calls, but records the actual content
iannis
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Yeah, well, he's imposing statelessness on himself. He hasn't been exiled. That's about as high quality as "my natural right to evade punishment for my crimes".
I'm not completely unsympathetic, but... huh? Just... what? It's crap like this that further solidifies my opinion that he's not any more mentally stable than the men he's trying to out.
He just has a whole lot less power.
I'm not completely unsympathetic, but... huh? Just... what? It's crap like this that further solidifies my opinion that he's not any more mentally stable than the men he's trying to out.
He just has a whole lot less power.
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1 billion sounds really low. Like low for a single continent, let alone the world.
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A billion per day doesn't sound like much? According to wiki answers, that's about 10% of global phone calls. That seems fairly substantial for one agency.