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BoldW

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Well, it's a first world white problem (and by that I mean the people who care about it), which means we just sit around and wait for/expect our elected officials to do something about it.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...edward-snowden(BBC didn't bother to even run the story)

So the NSA and GCHQ have been spying on each other's citizens and passing along the info to get around privacy rights. Oh, and we apparently own the GCHQ anyway.

I feel so much safer now.
 

BoldW

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This article does a pretty good job of summarizing some of my feelings on the whole "War on terror". The terrorists have won. We've abandoned our principles and freedoms for "safety", we've legitimized the terrorist organizations, barter and deal with them, and let them control entire countries.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/57...terrorists-won
After the first two shots of the War on Terror on September 11, 2001, the first major battle of the war occurred, and was lost, on October 26, 2001. This was the day thePATRIOT Actwas signed into law by President Bush. When your enemy doesn't care what happens on the battlefield, the real fights happen in your deep underbelly, where you make your laws. In this case, the terrorists, by killing 3,000 people in a spectacular fashion, goaded the United States into compromising its values and betraying its citizens.
We don't only have to look internally to see that the terrorists have won. Al-Qaeda has not gone away and has not been obliterated. In this grand game of whack-a-mole, the moles see our weakening resolve to preserve ourselves and are encouraged by it. The passage of these laws must be seen as propagandistic victories to the terrorists and undoubtedly help in their recruitment. We must rediscover the American idea and begin living by it once again. This would be the best way to turn the tide on the War on Terror.
 

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not really, yes they have gained power, and yes the strategy of harshness causing a push back that is more harmful than helpful directed at it's own population (homelands security, nsa ect ect)


yes they bargain with them, we also made deals with the soviet union during the height of the cold war but what is a "terrorist", it's really just people who want to be left alone from massive outside influence. in that strategic vision I don't see it working unless the internet is balkenized and isolationism is done, and everyone who has studied history for example china's isolationist peroid or played civ 5 knows that when you do that in the long run you lose scientifically.

Kissinger: 'Terrorists Are Really People That Reject the International System' (VIDEO)


^ 3:15 Terrorists are people who reject a type 1 civilization.
 

BoldW

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yes they bargain with them, we also made deals with the soviet union during the height of the cold war but what is a "terrorist", it's really just people who want to be left alone
Disagree with you there. Terrorists don't just "want to be left alone".
 

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you could probably argue that terrorist became terrorists because America was messing around in Saudi Arabia and Middle East in general.
 

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Like all moralists, they want to enforce their morals on those around them. Our fundies are just less violent because we have more economic opportunity, less bureaucratic corruption, and a functioning justice system. It's really easy to recruit people to their cause in the middle east because what else is there to do? It's very similar to the relationship between inner-city gangs and after-school programs. They exist primarily to give these kids something constructive to do rather than become criminals.
 

fanaskin

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Disagree with you there. Terrorists don't just "want to be left alone".
well eventually that's what they would like they just don't know how to do it so they settle at attacking the west to weaken it. after the assasination of anwar saddat failed to bring egypt back into the non western influenced fold, Ayman al-Zawahiri began to blame america, it's his cult that hooked up with osama in afghanistan and that's where the idea's where shaped.

watch at 3:10 why osama bin laden attacked america



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives...Stated_motives
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Globalization[edit source | editbeta]
Bernard Lewis is the best-known exponent of the idea of the "humiliation" of the Islamic world through globalization. In the 2004 book The Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror, he argues animosity toward the West is best understood with the decline of the once powerful Ottoman empire, compounded by the import of western ideas- Arab socialism, Arab liberalism and Arab secularism.

During the past three centuries, the Islamic world has lost its dominance and its leadership, and has fallen behind both the modern West and the rapidly modernizing Orient. This widening gap poses increasingly acute problems, both practical and emotional, for which the rulers, thinkers, and rebels of Islam have not yet found effective answers.[22]

In an essay titled 'The spirit of terrorism', Jean Baudrillard described 9/11 as the first global event that "questions the very process of globalization".
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The Clash of Civilizations
 

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you could probably argue that terrorist became terrorists because America was messing around in Saudi Arabia and Middle East in general.
Stupid poor people gonna be stupid and poor is more like it. Osama really didnt have a reason to hate the US, especially since we passed out weapons like candy to the mujahadeen and supported them big time in Afghanistan just a few years before he started his crusade against us.
 

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The support was secret though and many didn't know, also Although the United States provided the money and weapons, the training of militant groups was entirely done by the Pakistani Armed Forces and the ISI.

In Afghanistan the perception is the Afghani's defeated the Soviet Union.

In America the perception is America defeated the Soviet Union.

there's just a totally different base perception of what happened by the masses on both sides.
 

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Reagan_sitting_with_people_from_the_Afghanistan-Pakistan_region_in_February_1983.jpg
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/us...mpiles.html?hp

Other Agencies Clamor for Data N.S.A. Compiles

WASHINGTON - The National Security Agency's dominant role as the nation's spy warehouse has spurred frequent tensions and turf fights with other federal intelligence agencies that want to use its surveillance tools for their own investigations, officials say.

Agencies working to curb drug trafficking, cyberattacks, money laundering, counterfeiting and even copyright infringement complain that their attempts to exploit the security agency's vast resources have often been turned down because their own investigations are not considered a high enough priority, current and former government officials say.

Intelligence officials say they have been careful to limit the use of the security agency's troves of data and eavesdropping spyware for fear they could be misused in ways that violate Americans' privacy rights.

The recent disclosures of agency activities by its former contractor Edward J. Snowden have led to widespread criticism that its surveillance operations go too far and have prompted lawmakers in Washington to talk of reining them in. But out of public view, the intelligence community has been agitated in recent years for the opposite reason: frustrated officials outside the security agency say the spy tools are not used widely enough.

"It's a very common complaint about N.S.A.," said Timothy H. Edgar, a former senior intelligence official at the White House and at the office of the director of national intelligence. "They collect all this information, but it's difficult for the other agencies to get access to what they want."

"The other agencies feel they should be bigger players," said Mr. Edgar, who heard many of the disputes before leaving government this year to become a visiting fellow at Brown University. "They view the N.S.A. - incorrectly, I think - as this big pot of data that they could go get if they were just able to pry it out of them."

Smaller intelligence units within the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Secret Service, the Pentagon and the Department of Homeland Security have sometimes been given access to the security agency's surveillance tools for particular cases, intelligence officials say.

But more often, their requests have been rejected because the links to terrorism or foreign intelligence, usually required by law or policy, are considered tenuous. Officials at some agencies see another motive - protecting the security agency's turf - and have grown resentful over what they see as a second-tier status that has undermined their own investigations into security matters.

At the drug agency, for example, officials complained that they were blocked from using the security agency's surveillance tools for several drug-trafficking cases in Latin America, which they said might be connected to financing terrorist groups in the Middle East and elsewhere.

At the Homeland Security Department, officials have repeatedly sought to use the security agency's Internet and telephone databases and other resources to trace cyberattacks on American targets that are believed to have stemmed from China, Russia and Eastern Europe, according to officials. They have often been rebuffed.

Officials at the other agencies, speaking only on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the tensions, say the National Security Agency's reluctance to allow access to data has been particularly frustrating because of post-Sept. 11 measures that were intended to encourage information-sharing among federal agencies.

In fact, a change made in 2008 in the executive order governing intelligence was intended to make it easier for the security agency to share surveillance information with other agencies if it was considered "relevant" to their own investigations. It has often been left to the national intelligence director's office to referee the frequent disputes over how and when the security agency's spy tools can be used. The director's office declined to comment for this article.

Typically, the agencies request that the N.S.A. target individuals or groups for surveillance, search its databases for information about them, or share raw intelligence, rather than edited summaries, with them. If those under scrutiny are Americans, approval from the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court is required.
 

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http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...ance-software/

The U.S. government is quietly pressuring telecommunications providers to install eavesdropping technology deep inside companies' internal networks to facilitate surveillance efforts.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000..._sections_tech

Apple Inc.'s AAPL +1.27% e-book problem is spilling over into its other media businesses.

After winning last month an e-books antitrust suit against Apple, the Justice Department on Friday asked a federal judge to limit Apple's influence in the publishing market and give the government oversight of the iTunes Store and App Store.
This shit is spreading faster than SARS.
 

hodj

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The e books anti trust shit was fine, but the idea that the government should have oversight of the App store is about as dumb as saying the US government should have oversight of Steam.