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BoldW

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The e books anti trust shit was fine, but the idea that the government should have oversight of the App store is about as dumb as saying the US government should have oversight of Steam.
More government regulation can only be a good thing. Gotta keep those evil corporations from abusing poor people.

Sounds like spying on game chat is the next logical step, too. Terrorist Can't use phones or fb anymore.
 

hodj

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That's pretty much what it is about, anywhere they can use the excuse "Terrorists could communicate without our knowledge" they will to gain access to that data.

Terrorists are using EQ Next's private chat interface to plan terrorist attacks, now we have an excuse to force Sony to allow us backdoor access to their entire infrastructure and network, both on pc and on their console!
 

BoldW

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Terrorists need to watch some old spy movies for ideas. What ever happened to coded personal ads in the paper? I wonder if the NSA has their hands in plentyoffish, match, and eharmony? LOL.

I'm going out of the country next week - I have a suspicion I'm going to be checked thoroughly at the airport. :/
 

Malakriss

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Or maybe it's actually about what the article says since you selectively quoted only two sentences, not even the first two. You're either a Mac fanboy or a tinfoiler, hodj.
 

hodj

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God, don't be such a Mac fanboy.
Well, first, the fact that you can use the term "tin foil hat" seriously regarding this issue when these stories have come out the past week

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-u-di...091643729.html

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...ance-software/

Is an almost laughable degree of head in the sand willful ignorance

Secondly, and far more importantly, the idea that the reasons they give for seizing oversight powers and the actual uses they employ said oversight towards have already been shown to be not in sync with one another, so yeah.

No tin foil hat needed, the government is rapidly moving to seize as much power over the internet and all its distribution methods as possible, as a way to put more data under their umbrella. Really, at this point, the onus is on you to prove me wrong, and no, yelling "TIN FOIL HAT" isn't an argument.

Its a dysphemism fallacy.

Added: Also, I'm an Amazon prime member and probably buy 90% of my products from them, and the anti trust stuff in this case only serves to benefit me, and the only apple products I've ever owned have been ipads. I build my own pcs and have never been a big fan of Apple, even now, I like the ipad, but only because of its value to me for school. So really, there's just a lot of bad arguments you're making in that one line sentence, a lot of presumptions that simply aren't factual.
 

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NSA DATA BEING USED TO BUILD CRIMINAL(NOT RELATED TO TERRORISM) CASES VS AMERICANS

 

fanaskin

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That's pretty much what it is about, anywhere they can use the excuse "Terrorists could communicate without our knowledge" they will to gain access to that data.

Terrorists are using EQ Next's private chat interface to plan terrorist attacks, now we have an excuse to force Sony to allow us backdoor access to their entire infrastructure and network, both on pc and on their console!
They did this already with world of warcraft 5 years ago

Pentagon Researcher Conjures Warcraft Terror Plot

U.S. Spies Want to Find Terrorists in World of Warcraft
 

fanaskin

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Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A secretive U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration unit is funneling information from intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records to authorities across the nation to help them launch criminal investigations of Americans.

Although these cases rarely involve national security issues, documents reviewed by Reuters show that law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin - not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges.

The undated documents show that federal agents are trained to "recreate" the investigative trail to effectively cover up where the information originated, a practice that some experts say violates a defendant's Constitutional right to a fair trial. If defendants don't know how an investigation began, they cannot know to ask to review potential sources of exculpatory evidence - information that could reveal entrapment, mistakes or biased witnesses.
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"PARALLEL CONSTRUCTION"

After an arrest was made, agents then pretended that their investigation began with the traffic stop, not with the SOD tip, the former agent said. The training document reviewed by Reuters refers to this process as "parallel construction."

The two senior DEA officials, who spoke on behalf of the agency but only on condition of anonymity, said the process is kept secret to protect sources and investigative methods. "Parallel construction is a law enforcement technique we use every day," one official said. "It's decades old, a bedrock concept."

A dozen current or former federal agents interviewed by Reuters confirmed they had used parallel construction during their careers. Most defended the practice; some said they understood why those outside law enforcement might be concerned.

"It's just like laundering money - you work it backwards to make it clean,"said Finn Selander, a DEA agent from 1991 to 2008 and now a member of a group called Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, which advocates legalizing and regulating narcotics.

Some defense lawyers and former prosecutors said that using "parallel construction" may be legal to establish probable cause for an arrest. But they said employing the practice as a means of disguising how an investigation began may violate pretrial discovery rules by burying evidence that could prove useful to criminal defendants.
 

tad10

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I think the whole AQ gonna blow up a embassy some where and we knows because the NSA intercepted their communication is all bullshit to try and stir up support for NSA surveillance of the US.

I like how nothing like this happens in the 6 years of Obama then right after the NSA shit is revealed suddenly we've got the super secret AQ info, thanks to the NSA.

Fuck you NSA analyst who is monitoring this thread. I hope you get killed in a car crash on the way home from work.
 

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The e books anti trust shit was fine, but the idea that the government should have oversight of the App store is about as dumb as saying the US government should have oversight of Steam.
This is a good idea. Terrorists could use steam against us.
 

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Can we officially declare that terrorists have won. Since pretty much all the terrorists need to do at this point is troll the government into taking freedoms away.

If I were a terrorist I'd release all sorts of fake ways of sending info that would just fuck with people. Claim steam is the new preferred medium, or voice chatting in games. You could even get clever and meta troll gamers, with stuff like transaction quantities in games being used to send cryptic messages. Pretty much ANYTHING can be used to send information with creativity, and thats why wiretapping/broad surveillance never works, and only leads to governmental abuse.
 

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Can we officially declare that terrorists have won. Since pretty much all the terrorists need to do at this point is troll the government into taking freedoms away.

If I were a terrorist I'd release all sorts of fake ways of sending info that would just fuck with people. Claim steam is the new preferred medium, or voice chatting in games. You could even get clever and meta troll gamers, with stuff like transaction quantities in games being used to send cryptic messages. Pretty much ANYTHING can be used to send information with creativity, and thats why wiretapping/broad surveillance never works, and only leads to governmental abuse.
Heck, you could even claim that instructions for terrorist attacks are being sent through XBox Live through coded racial and homophobic slurs. In fact, we should make that claim anyway. NSA kept busy over bullshit, XBox assholes harassed by the man... everybody wins.
 

Dyvim

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This is no joke. Imagine if Al Qaeda managed to take down steam deals for an entire month. I'd have too much cash to spend on other shit and my entire life might collapse.
They wouldnt dare to do that, the US people might end uo with torches and pitchforks at capitol hill if they turned off steam or wow or facebook and such.
Remember you need bread and games to keep the pariahs happy.

Clarification: Actually i mean the NSA/Gubbernment taking Steam down claiming its AQ / whoever using it for terror.
 

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I like how nothing like this happens in the 6 years of Obama then right after the NSA shit is revealed suddenly we've got the super secret AQ info, thanks to the NSA.
There isn't an eyeroll smiley big enough for this statement.
 

BoldW

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I didn't see any evidence to suggest that the threat that closed embassies was in any part due to the domestic surveillance programs, despite the fact that proponents of the spying are using it as a platform to say we need the increased security. It would be silly to think some Yemenese AQ decided to call Random_American_08 and tell em "Dude, this weekend, it's gonna happen! We're gonna do it!"

We already know that the NSA programs have nothing to do with terrorism at all.
 

Eonan

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Terrorists need to watch some old spy movies for ideas. What ever happened to coded personal ads in the paper? I wonder if the NSA has their hands in plentyoffish, match, and eharmony? LOL.

I'm going out of the country next week - I have a suspicion I'm going to be checked thoroughly at the airport. :/
Funny you should mention this...we actually got a security briefing before deploying to Iraq about resisting the urge to tell people on dating sites our life stories or that we were in country lol.