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Tanoomba · May 21, 2015

Cad: "But I think the big disconnect is between most women's idea of what forcible rape is, and what the law's idea of forcible rape is. So when they go to report it and are told that isn't rape, go home, or they say they can't get a conviction on that, go home, they think the law is biased against them or not protecting them. So that snowballs into "why report at all" and real rapes probably go unreported too. Which is a shame, because rapists are scumbag motherfuckers."

What the fuck are you even basing this on? I love how a bunch of clueless assholes believe they are the authority on rape: Why women think they've been raped when they really haven't, why they don't report it when they should, etc. Seriously, the arrogance on display here is mind-boggling.

Quaid · May 21, 2015

Holy shit what thread are you quoting?

Are you telling me that girl who carried her mattress around all year might not have actually been raped? That's fucking hilarious.

hodj · May 21, 2015

That's already been demonstrated to be true, Quaid, there was a massive article on Reason or something that completely discredited her, then the actual emails got released where she explicitly asked the dude to fuck her in the butt the day it happened, and he was the one who was hesitant about taking the brown mile.

hodj · May 21, 2015

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/03/columbia-student-i-didn-t-rape-her.html

https://reason.com/archives/2015/05/20/columbia-rape-saga-lingers-after-mattres

Lithose · May 21, 2015

Tanoomba_sl said:
What the fuck are you even basing this on? I love how a bunch of clueless assholes believe they are the authority on rape: Why women think they've been raped when they really haven't, why they don't report it when they should, etc. Seriously, the arrogance on display here is mind-boggling.

Uhh? He's basing it on reality. Even most feminists who have studied the subject will argue (Though the opposite direction) that many women define rape poorly. Koss's original "one in five" survey was actually predicated on this fact--she explicitly said many women were raped and do not know it. The fact is, the law has a very concise standard for rape that literally requires the "reasonable person"--which means an opinion by a group of peers. Which means his view of rape? Is absolutely relevant in a legal scenario.

Learn how the fucking world works, Tan. Or better yet, at least learn JUST about the subjects you like to post about.

Mario Speedwagon · May 21, 2015

hodj_sl said:
That's already been demonstrated to be true, Quaid, there was a massive article on Reason or something that completely discredited her, then the actual emails got released where she explicitly asked the dude to fuck her in the butt the day it happened, and he was the one who was hesitant about taking the brown mile.

But Tanoomba tells me it's more likely than not that she was raped. What's going on here? Are you an MRA shitlord rape apologist?

hodj · May 21, 2015

Columbia University's investigations led to dismissal of all charges with the much lower bar of guilty if its more likely than not that a crime was committed.

Bitch was not raped. All the evidence demonstrates that she asked him to fuck her in the butt, he fucked her in the butt after pretty much telling her he didn't want to do it and she insisted, and then she made everything else up. Including getting two other girls and a guy to file false charges against him with the university as well.

Lithose · May 21, 2015

Quaid_sl said:
Holy shit what thread are you quoting?

Are you telling me that girl who carried her mattress around all year might not have actually been raped? That's fucking hilarious.

Yeah, Hodj linked them--but she's even walking back the claim herself now. Now she explains the mattress as a student project meant to help with the "trauma of a bad sexual experience". (IE she's essentially said that the boy she liked dumped her and she was really pissy about it. But since she's not allowed to call it rape, she'll just call it trauma--and she should be able to express, artistically, the trauma she has been through.)

The mattress girl is a perfect illustration why the "8%" fraud rate for rape? Is a very dubious figure. You essentially need an outright confession to prove fraud in terms of accusation. Even if the amount of evidence that you consented to sex is OVERWHELMING, like in the mattress girl's case? You'll be filed under "not enough to prosecute" simply because you can say you didn't understand what the legal requirement of rape was and you felt forced.

Now, that being said, a large number of cases in that not-enough-to-prosecute zone are real rapes that there isn't enough evidence for, too. So...it's a mess, obviously.

hodj · May 21, 2015

http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/24/the-text-of-the-mattress-girl-lawsuit-will-shock-you/

The lawsuit even argues it was Sulkowicz herself who first broached the possibility of anal sex with Nungesser, even though claims of forced anal sex are central to her claim of rape.

"fuck me in the but," she said bluntly during one Facebook exchange.

Tanoomba · May 21, 2015

Quaid: "Are you telling me that girl who carried her mattress around all year might not have actually been raped? That's fucking hilarious."

Yes, it's a real possibility.

Lith: "Uhh? He's basing it on reality. Even most feminists who have studied the subject will argue (Though the opposite direction) that many women define rape poorly. Koss's original "one in five" survey was actually predicated on this fact--she explicitly said many women were raped and do not know it."

Women who were raped having difficulty dealing with the reality of it = Feasible
Women admitting to having been through the textbook definition of forcible rape on an anonymous survey being WAY off because their silly little female memories are playing tricks on them, those little devils = Much less feasible

Cad is a fucking idiot.

Doc: "But Tanoomba tells me it's more likely than not that she was raped. What's going on here? Are you an MRA shitlord rape apologist?"

No, he just immediately believes anything that supports his world view.

Quaid · May 21, 2015

Bahahahahahahahaha thanks guys I hadn't been following this closely.

And of course Tanoomba is ever the contrarian. Godspeed, brother.

Tanoomba · May 21, 2015

Did you check the article?

Quaid · May 21, 2015

Tanoomba_sl said:
Did you check the article?

I don't read tabloids.

hodj · May 21, 2015

Moonbat is so fucking retarded he doesn't get that Columbia University dropped all charges against the man she accused, because there was mountains of evidence contrary to her claims that came from her own facebook account messages.

Apparently that means I "just listen and believe" anything that supports my "world view"

What worldview would that be, Moon bat?

Tanoomba · May 21, 2015

So you would dismiss the words of the actual party being discussed out of hand, even though they provide valuable perspective on the entire story?

Spoken like someone who doesn't like to have his world view challenged.

hodj · May 21, 2015

You mean the actual words out of her mouth like "Fuck me in the but"?

Tard.

hodj · May 21, 2015

Apparently, in Moon bat's "worldview" the Columbia University panel overseeing the case are all shitlords who disregard Emma's experiences as well.

Is it hard being this stupid Moon bat?

I imagine it is.

Quaid · May 21, 2015

Tanoomba_sl said:
So you would dismiss the words of the actual party being discussed out of hand, even though they provide valuable perspective on the entire story?

Spoken like someone who doesn't like to have his world view challenged.

Wrong. I like my world views challenged by legitimate sources. Not tabloids that stand to profit from the ignorance of their readership.

If the words of the primary source were of any value, they'd be being reported on by a legitimate outlet.

hodj · May 21, 2015

The funniest part of the Jezebel link Moon bat posted is that it actually makes Sulkowitz look like a whiny little bitch who doesn't want to answer questions, and doesn't actually support her position in any substantive way, particularly once the lawsuit was filed by Nungusser against Columbia University, and all the emails and facebook messages were let out of the bag with the public release of the lawsuit documents.

Literally it makes her look like a conniving little shitbag.

Tanoomba · May 21, 2015

Quaid: "Wrong. I like my world views challenged by legitimate sources. Not tabloids that stand to profit from the ignorance of their readership.

If the words of the primary source were of any value, they'd be being reported on by a legitimate outlet."

Dude, they got comments from Emma (and 2 other alleged victims), they got her to annotate the Facebook messages that are often used as "evidence" against her, and they explain why she wasn't enthusiastic about doing the same thing for another journalist (who she suspected would try to turn her words against her).

To be fair, much of the article is criticism towards Cathy Young, and some of that is undeserved. It seems like Young made a genuine and sincere effort to get Emma's side of the story, and I think it was stupid for Emma not to take advantage of that. But what we have here is more information, from the source, and you're dismissing it out of hand because you don't like Jezebel. That's just foolish.

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