The Walking Dead

Hey, a cameo from Bob!

lower case g_sl said:

Hey, a cameo from Bob!

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do you mean morgan?

I think that was one of my favorite intros to the show ever. Hitting the guy with the car, and then shooting him in the head while telling him to shut up. Ruthless.

I've basically not cared about anyone dying in this show at all, but that one got me.

Daly_sl said:

I've basically not cared about anyone dying in this show at all, but that one got me.

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I'm not sure if it's because I skipped last season or what, but I didn't really care that she'd died. I figured either her or Carol was going to.

I always record talking dead since the recording of the show cuts off the last minute or two otherwise, but I don't normally watch talking dead unless there's a funny guest and/or robert kirkman. Well,they had kirkman, kegan michael key and the actress who plays beth were on. So, I actually watched this one.

I almost lost it when she started crying on there, you could tell how much she really loved working with everyone. She could barely keep it together. It was more emotional then the show itself.

Something kept getting my eye during Darryl and Maggie's reactions too...

Great episode, really thought it was gonna be Carol who died, not Beth. Then, that article about Norman Reedus (Darryl) crying for like an hour before shooting one of the scenes made me think possibly both of them were gone. Damn, she must have been everyone's favorite in the crew.

I mean, we all assumed Beth or Carol was dead. This left me kind of shrugging my shoulders. This season started out great but the end just kind of petered out. Still a good season but I was hoping for more, like them hitting the road or something.

I've watched most eps with less than full attention, but Beth's death didn't really get to me cuz it just seemed like she committed suicide for no reason. If her crew hadn't yet arrived (she hasn't seen these people in weeks / months, right?) and she felt hopeless and then in a moment of anger she shanks the cop, OK, but there in the middle of everyone? Just because the black kid has to go back to the relatively safe place (the rapey cops were dead and he was a guy anyhow)? He wasn't being sent back into fucking Terminus.

Maybe if I could understand the last thing going through her head *morgan freeman voice* other than that bullet, I'd feel more sympathy, but as it played out....meh.

One other thing I didn't understand...did Carrrl and Michonne completely seal themselves into that church? She had to break down the front door with an ax, and then the priest was the one who had to explain how to get out the back.

It wasn't a question of whether Beth would die, but how pointlessly melodramatic it would be.

Ive not been paying 100% attention to this show until the blonde chick finally died a season or so ago, but whats up with the trailing lone black dude?

Hottest women don't stand a chance in this show

I'm with some others, it was always a question of whether it was going to be Carol or Beth so her death didn't surprise me that much. The only surprise was how it went down. I thought the episode as a whole dragged a little bit, they wasted almost half the episode on the church scenes just to they could set up the Glen/Maggie 'rescue'.

Maester Chuk_sl said:

do you mean morgan?

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He means the remains of Bob's leg that Gabriel found at the school.

Maul_sl said:

Hottest women don't stand a chance in this show

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Maggie and Tits McShortypants are still around, thankfully.

Beth knew there was no way bitch cop was just going to let them walk out of there. If they gave up blackie there'd have just been something else until she provoked a firefight, because she was a crazy control freak willing to murder to keep things going her way and she was terrified of appearing weak. The other cops weren't willing to kill one of their own or put a stop to the shit going on because they were pussies / "good people."

Granted, Beth probably could have said "if you want bitch cop gone, we can do that for you. This Rick guy here gives NO fucks. He's pretty much the Goddamn Terminator, holy shit. No one else has to get hurt and we'll be on our way."

But it's perfectly in character for Beth to not be that smart/rational. Bitch cop had to die. It's not a case of a character doing something unrealistically stupid just for drama, imo.

Well she like stabbed her in the arm with tiny scissors. Not sure what she was expecting there. At least go for the neck or eyes or something.

Kreugen_sl said:

Beth knew there was no way bitch cop was just going to let them walk out of there.

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Really? Maybe I've just stopped looking too closely at TWD for complex characterization, but I wasn't getting much of what you said. Maybe that was intended. But Dawn's character wasn't ever complex, just confusing, and like many foils in the show she was a generic, cliche chameleon morphing to the needs of the show in the moment. To me, the logical thing was that the bad cops threatening Dawn were all but taken care of, and Dawn would be happy as shit. Rick makes the declaration that anyone that wants to go is going with him, making Dawn look 'weak' and she doesn't give a shit, but don't take her personal ward! It was verging on TWD's classic 'they just crazy' characterization. Why? Because they spend episode after episode with slow-as-shit melodrama building and setting up shitty CGI instead of letting us actually start to understand or empathize with characters.

But, that's the problem, don't try analyze or explain TWD. Don't try to defend shit. Just appreciate that Rick sometimes has a few good lines and characters sometimes die.... even if they're usually preceded by inconsistencies or idiocy.

And the CGI has gotten shit. Rick hitting the dude in the car? Had to pause the show I was laughing so hard. Makes me miss the power of physical effects. Even the standard zombie stabbings have gotten shitty, like Michone swording the zombie in the head in the church scene looking super sketch.

popsicledeath_sl said:

Really? Maybe I've just stopped looking too closely at TWD for complex characterization, but I wasn't getting much of what you said. Maybe that was intended. But Dawn's character wasn't ever complex, just confusing, and like many foils in the show she was a generic, cliche chameleon morphing to the needs of the show in the moment. To me, the logical thing was that the bad cops threatening Dawn were all but taken care of, and Dawn would be happy as shit.Rick makes the declaration that anyone that wants to go is going with him, making Dawn look 'weak' and she doesn't give a shit, but don't take her personal ward!It was verging on TWD's classic 'they just crazy' characterization. Why? Because they spend episode after episode with slow-as-shit melodrama building and setting up shitty CGI instead of letting us actually start to understand or empathize with characters.

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His "anyone can come with us" was after Dawn was killed. The scene played out by her demanding the black kid back and Rick's group refusing. Black guy says, "no, it's fine" and then Beth goes over to Dawn, stabs her, and gets shot in the head. Then Daryl shoots Dawn in retaliation, before other female cop says no one else needs to get killed. That's when Rick says that they'll take anyone that wants to leave.

You're right in that it's another scenario where it makes absolutely no sense for Dawn to be that bat shit crazy, just wrong in how it played out.