The Walking Dead

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popsicledeath

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See, I find I don't really watch the show that closely anymore. :p Remembering now, though, that that's right and still didn't matter. It's become a show without nuance and underlying urgency/importance. Soap opera sort of thing where all you need to do is pick up on the major plot points to experience the full extent of it.
 

Vandyn

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Beth knew there was no way bitch cop was just going to let them walk out of there. If they gave up blackie there'd have just been something else until she provoked a firefight, because she was a crazy control freak willing to murder to keep things going her way and she was terrified of appearing weak. The other cops weren't willing to kill one of their own or put a stop to the shit going on because they were pussies / "good people."

Granted, Beth probably could have said "if you want bitch cop gone, we can do that for you. This Rick guy here gives NO fucks. He's pretty much the Goddamn Terminator, holy shit. No one else has to get hurt and we'll be on our way."

But it's perfectly in character for Beth to not be that smart/rational. Bitch cop had to die. It's not a case of a character doing something unrealistically stupid just for drama, imo.
I'll actually defend the show here since Beth doesn't really know how Rick is 'now' since the last time she saw him (any of them outside of Darryl) was the prison and he wasn't that batshit insane yet. Beth probably thought she was home free initially, Noah letting himself go back to Dawn started that whole sequence.
 

Kreugen

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Hell, I don't even remember her name was Dawn, I just think of her as bitch cop.

Sorry, SJWs.

Rick was right from the start, their best odds was picking off a few on patrol for intel and then storming the hospital. Survivors at this point are all fucked up people that can't be trusted.

What I found so funny was the guy who tried to escape was more afraid of Dawn fucking things up than he was of Rick's crew. I believe him when he says he was trying to make it all work out. And then Rick straight up murders him. I laughed and laughed.

He chose... poorly.
 

Kreugen

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I'll actually defend the show here since Beth doesn't really know how Rick is 'now' since the last time she saw him (any of them outside of Darryl) was the prison and he wasn't that batshit insane yet. Beth probably thought she was home free initially, Noah letting himself go back to Dawn started that whole sequence.
Yeah, regardless, Beth knew it was about to become a bloodbath in that hallway.
 

Tenks

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Outside of the main characters I don't know anyone's name on this show. I also don't understand why everyone cares about Beth. She was basically non-existant up until this half of the season when her character got a bit fleshed out and now she's dead. Who cares. Prior to this her biggest character trait was being the baby's babysitter and giving Carl boners.

Maybe I'm just bitter because I just had this happen on The Wire (season 03 spoiler)

My #1 boy Stringer Bell died
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Gask

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Did anyone else notice how Dawn's pistol was holstered and her arms were at her sides right before Beth stabbed her and yet immediately afterwards the gun is in her hands, pointed at Beth's skull and boom... fastest gun in the West right there. That had me cracking up on top of how random that scene was. I mean it was obvious there was going to be a shootout as soon as it showed them going into the hospital instead of meeting in a neutral place like sensible people but spontaneously jabbing the women and potentially getting everyone you care about killed in the ensuing chaos was just... TWD.

Also, are they ever going to leave Georgia?
 

Gravel

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Yes, I noticed that as well, but I stopped nitpicking retarded shit that happens because it got tiring.

It probably bothered you because she was the one that literally said, "Ok, everyone holster your weapons." And then instantaneous headshot after getting stabbed like her gun was pointed at Beth's chin the entire conversation.
 

Gask

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Yes, I noticed that as well, but I stopped nitpicking retarded shit that happens because it got tiring.

It probably bothered you because she was the one that literally said, "Ok, everyone holster your weapons." And then instantaneous headshot after getting stabbed like her gun was pointed at Beth's chin the entire conversation.
Whose nitpicking? I thought it was hilarious.
 

Cybsled

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After the exchange, you see Dawn's face and her eyes almost seem to be aware of all the cops behind her, watching her. She is in 100% self preservation mode and feels like she has to be "strong" or risk getting ganked by the other cops after this is all over, which is why she asks for Noah.
 

Gamma Rays

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I thought it was well done ( by the makers of the show ) that the event was just so quick and sudden.

It just happened in front of you and was over with and the big realization that that was it, as quick as you could take it in.

And no they're never going to leave Georgia, they'll lose their tax credits if they do.
 

Cybsled

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They won't leave Georgia in real life, but they will be leaving Georgia in the show. Pretty easy to say that they are in Virginia and still tape in Georgia.
 

Tenks

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I'm wondering if the tax credits only apply if they say they're in Georgia? I mean they have not-so-subtle signs everywhere saying "HEY GUYS WE'RE IN GEORGIA!! VISIT GEORGIA!!"
 

Cybsled

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I doubt it. The recent Hunger Games shot scenes in Georgia due to the tax credit thing, but it was as a stand-in for West Virginia and Virginia/Maryland (District 12+13). It is more of an economic thing (ie, base your production here so you spend money in the state and people spend money to come here as tourists to see productions).
 

popsicledeath

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After the exchange, you see Dawn's face and her eyes almost seem to be aware of all the cops behind her, watching her. She is in 100% self preservation mode and feels like she has to be "strong" or risk getting ganked by the other cops after this is all over, which is why she asks for Noah.
My problem with this is the concept is good, but how they handled it a bit weak. Her self preservation seemed to lead her to mostly just sit around worrying and whining to Beth. The cops that were causing issues (as presented by the show) had all but been taken care of. The last one was the dude in the exchange, I think. I don't think I even recognized the cops behind her in the exchange, and aside from the midget chick they didn't look very contrary. Instead of just making Dawn a passive, whining participant in her situation, they tried to make her active, by what, demanding Noah? Ooooh, that's really gonna show the haters. They could have easily had her man up, like she did with the dude that got tossed down the elevator, but this time where everyone can see, at the exchange, where she takes back one of the 'good' cops and then blasts the 'bad' cop. Of course, that only fits the situation they were writing toward, and not the way they will have an end-goal and have to twist the writing to meet that. The show seems to have a lot of if statements, like if Beth needs to die and if Dawn is afraid she's losing power, but can never really write that into a coherent then statement, like then Beth stabs dawn in the shoulder with scissors and Dawn blows her head off.

Especially because they set it up that Dawn asking for Noah probably wouldn't even impress the 'bad' cops she was trying to protect herself against (that all seemed done for anyhow). The general implication seemed to me to be that she was weak because she had her little personal assistants and wasn't even raping them or anything, but actually cared for them. How asking for Noah would have made her look strong in reality, or Dawn's own mind, is beyond me. Had she demonstrated something a bit stronger than the 'he'll be back, they always come back' shit then maybe I buy it.

The better setup is the crew offers Dawn's two cops, but she says she'll only take the 'good' one back, and wants Noah instead so it's a fair trade. After all the mentioning that Dawn would negotiate if Rick's crew could help her out of her situation of losing power to the 'bad' cops, and they build that up for what? Nothing. Because this show has trouble putting together coherent if-then statements, and instead comes up with hella-melo-dramatic end results after they've already written themselves in one direction, and just let it go figuring their viewers don't care anyhow as long as zombies get killed and Daryl looks dreamy emoing it up. Keeps me watching, at least!
 

Chukzombi

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this is a dumb zombie show, its always been a dumb show and its always going to be. it is smarter now than its ever been, but that doesnt change the fact this show is just zombie porn with melodrama thrown in. there are so many ways to nitpick this show its not even worth the effort. and as long as the story keeps moving along like its been instead of them chilling out in a prison or a farm most of the season then im fine with watching silliness. just keep them zombies rolling in and dont stay anywhere for too long.
 

Cad

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Did anyone else think Dawn was trying to say sorry or say she didn't mean it right after she shot Beth? Like she shot Beth on reflex then realized she fucked up right after?
 

ubiquitrips

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Did anyone else think Dawn was trying to say sorry or say she didn't mean it right after she shot Beth? Like she shot Beth on reflex then realized she fucked up right after?
Yes, that was the impression that I got from that scene. I don't think she actually meant to shoot and then suddenly realized she was boned.