The Walking Dead

That whole scene was forced and dumb imho. They were obviously looking for some way to introduce "surprise!" into the showdown and couldn't come up with a realistic idea. Beth girly stabbing Dawn with a pair of scissors, what was the point exactly? What did she hope to accomplish? Dawn acting with Clint Eastwood like reflexes and headshotting Beth "by accident"? Really? Also, why decide to abandon the hospital as a potential base of operations, when a secured hospital is probably the BEST possible life/shelter you can have in a post-apocalyptic zombie wasteland? They holding out in hopes of finding an equally secured Ritz Carlton or something?

If they stayed they would have to deal with the rest of the cops there, it's a situation where the group wouldn't have full control or trust of the cops. The head shot was pretty stupid, I suppose they wanted it to be an instant death, I would guess having Dawn shoot Beth that fast would only happen if Dawn was expecting harm from Beth, and stabbing the opposite arm with her left hand, really? I mean I know they wanted the clint eastwood speed shooting, but have Beth stab her chest or something not the opposite arm. One of many instances of this show where you just slap your forehead and then move along, including the whole church scene this episode.

I took it as a stab into her neck. It just didn't gush blood because the scissors were left in the wound.

Xarpolis_sl said:

I took it as a stab into her neck. It just didn't gush blood because the scissors were left in the wound.

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I took it as a stab to her collar bone or lower shoulder, since that's where she was stabbed.

Xarpolis_sl said:

I took it as a stab into her neck. It just didn't gush blood because the scissors were left in the wound.

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I also assumed she was going a stab in the throat and it just didnt work out.

Vvoid_sl said:

This is another example where if they had just changed that one thing (stabbing her in the throat instead of the collarbone), it would have erased 99% of the complaints. Since they didn't, it makes the entire scene stupid and forced. Yeah you can say it is a dumb zombie show, but that was so blatantly a "we are going to kill someone here no matter what" situation that I can't help but be disappointed.

I did watch Talking Dead for the first time ever since people talked about it, and I genuinely like the actress who plays Beth and sympathized with her having to essentially uproot her life and move away from all of the people she's grown close to over the past few years. However, I feel bad that all I will remember of her death is how fucking stupidly it was portrayed. Also, how does anyone watch that show? It is so terrible. If Key hadn't been there it would have been unwatchable until Beth showed up.

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You would be amazed at the kind of fans this show has. There are at least 2 people I work with that are crazy TWD fans, will watch an episode 3-4 times to break it down and also watch Talking dead and anything else they can get information from. Note that none of these people know the comic and it's incredible shock and awe when obvious stuff gets revealed (Beth dying, Eugene lying about DC, etc.)

I think that whole scene was just strange writing. It's just bizarre that that's the way they would pick for it to go down. Much more logical would have been Dawn doesn't trust the other group and says fuck it and opens fire, where Beth gets killed in the crossfire (since she was the last one exchanged). Something with the one cop dying would have made way more sense; maybe one of the two cops says something to Dawn about how it wasn't "rotters" that got him.

Elurin_sl said:

I think that whole scene was just strange writing. It's just bizarre that that's the way they would pick for it to go down. Much more logical would have been Dawn doesn't trust the other group and says fuck it and opens fire, where Beth gets killed in the crossfire (since she was the last one exchanged). Something with the one cop dying would have made way more sense; maybe one of the two cops says something to Dawn about how it wasn't "rotters" that got him.

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Only problem with that is then it invalidates the previous scene where the cop got thrown down the elevator, he basically tells her that nobody likes her anymore. I got the impression none of the cops that were left wanted her around anymore so they are not going to do anything to help her. It would of made a little more sense if she demanded Noah before she handed Beth over. Everything else plays the same way with them embracing as they are being exchanged, then Beth can turn around and attack Dawn. The scene is also as much about giving Darryl his 'moment' where he takes Dawn out, you don't get that with a shoot out.

Ya, that would have made more sense, but I also read it as Dawn realizing that she needed allies (which harkens back to Beth calling Dawn's BS earlier in the episode). The cop Rick shot was probably one of her few allies left. The way she acts when she gets told that by the other cops kind of showed her thought process. You could see it in her face that she realized that her situation had just become much more tenuous and the grab for Noah was sort of a "I need someone on my side and I need to show strength now so that none of the other cops get any funny ideas about taking over". But like the previous episodes had shown, her control has flimsy at best and she let people under her command rape or do whatever they wanted without repercussion, purely because she didn't want to antagonize them.

Vandyn_sl said:

Only problem with that is then it invalidates the previous scene where the cop got thrown down the elevator, he basically tells her that nobody likes her anymore. I got the impression none of the cops that were left wanted her around anymore so they are not going to do anything to help her. It would of made a little more sense if she demanded Noah before she handed Beth over. Everything else plays the same way with them embracing as they are being exchanged, then Beth can turn around and attack Dawn. The scene is also as much about giving Darryl his 'moment' where he takes Dawn out, you don't get that with a shoot out.

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Ok, so...you just don't have that first scene then? The writers can do whatever they want. Sure, it doesn't make sense when in the context of everything they've done before. But they didn't have the rest of the episode the way they did to pigeon hole themselves into some bizarre scene with Beth stabbing her with scissors.

She was only ever in charge because she straight up murdered their commanding officer. The rest of the cops were more rapey than murderers, so they were afraid of her / not willing to kill one of their own.

I still don't buy the "well we probably won't get along with the cops so lets abandon the best refuge we've found since the world went Full Zombie and head back into the wasteland". I mean, if you had spent the last few years fighting for food/survival, and had just escaped cannibal central, and then stumbled across a nicely stocked, secured, and electrically powered hospital, would you abandon that because you didn't think you could get along with the current inhabitants? Also, I can't remember for sure, but after the showdown didn't one of the cops even offer them to stay? I mean, they fought tooth and nail to defend the prison, which wasn't half as good as the hospital, but they'll abandon the latter without even blinking an eye?

Most of the episodes this season have been great and relatively devoid of facepalm moments, but this last one was epically dumb.

Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

I still don't buy the "well we probably won't get along with the cops so lets abandon the best refuge we've found since the world went Full Zombie and head back into the wasteland".

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Well, remember how boring season 2 was when they were at the farm? So, yeah, screw the hospital.

this half season was the best because they kept the shit moving along, they tried sitting on their asses for 4 seasons and it fucking sucked

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I got the impression none of the cops that were left wanted her around anymore so they are not going to do anything to help her.

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I got the impression that I wasn't able to get an impression since the remaining cops were largely people I'd never seen before, much less been introduced to.

In short: shit writing. All this show ever has to do is involve the people they've written into the show in the logical direction of the action and story. Instead, time and again, they manage to drop the ball and expect us to care about characters that haven't really been introduced fully, or they expect us to give a shit when they lead us one direction and the story arc falls off a cliff.

It works because by and large the people who watch the show and thinks it's amazing are retarded.

Well I think the lesson was:

If you want to play rock/paper/scissors . . gun

Gun beats everything.

Having recorded the marathon this week I went back and watched some of season 1. I noticed some things we never saw again throughout the series and I wonder if it was just pilot mistakes or if they changed zombie function afterwards to make it another direction.

The little girl after Rick wakes up and finds the world all fucked up stops and picks up a doll, like she remembered part of being human, but they stress later on and especially in Woodbury how zombies remember nothing about their past, memories, or personalities.

Later on in Episode 2 I think it was after he meets Glen, zombies are beating on the glass store doors with rocks in their hands. Again never shown again they they have a concept of tools or line of such thinking.

Things such as this cleared up semi quickly later on, I assume only once they realized the series was a hit and took it more seriously.

Meanwhile filming of "Cobalt" which is the sister series of TWD films the pilot episode/movie( it's been listed as both ) this month. Production of the 2nd TWD series takes place in LA, CA.
Cliff Curtis is the lead role playing as Sean Cabrer a divorced teacher. Frank Dillane and Alycia Debnam Carey are cast as the brother and sister to their mother Nancy who is unknown( Possibly Kim Dickens is my guess ) at this time and is a guidance counselor. It appears all the adults are school related along with their sons and daughters. Cliffs role as Sean will have a teenage son to mirror the role of Rick and Carl. Speculation is this line of the series will be displayed as the survival in the city version.

I don't know seems to me bringing more "kids" into it seems stupid and I am not sure why people would want to survive in a city, which is probably a few hundred thousands of walkers and resources only decrease. I guess we can call the 2nd series, I am Legend. Least you get plenty of chances for sponsors to be thrown in.

Cities are always a mixed bag...you have more zombies, but also more resources.

perhaps newly made zombies have rudimentary memories and use rocks and as time goes on and their organics begin to rot, the odds of clever zombies subsides?