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Breakdown · Mar 26, 2013

Maester Chuk_sl said:
if merle had explained that the michonne trade was a trap, rick would have a reason to decide against the deal. merle would have influenced his decision and his status in the group would have elevated significantly. merle would finally have served a purpose and the storyline would have advanced with him as part of it. i swear merle was only brought back for the same reason morgan was. padding out the extra episodes.

Merle was brought back to be an example of what the Governor, and to Ricks Character, a Dictator does to people. Or at least this final episode finally showed that. I agree jamming this into one week was a but rushed.

But the fact was Merle dying and jsut being there did a lot. Rick saw what he could end up as if he bargained Michonne. We got to see what the Govenor can turn someone into. Going forward this will make a big difference in Daryl. We got to see that even the monster can make a choice and turn against the govenor.

I greatly like the Merle arc. Sadly it was jammed into a short period.

Breakdown · Mar 26, 2013

Tenks_sl said:
I think what he's getting at is this episode was kind of a closed loop. I don't know if I'd say "filler" is the appropriate word but Merle's character pretty much ran it's course and didn't really have a purpose anymore. In the end the only thing that really advanced this episode was Merle's advancement as a character then eventual death. Some red shirt woodbury citizens died and Ben -- who was never really introduced to the audience in the first place.

I will say with how bad the show has been after it's half-season return this is one of the highlight episodes of the latter half

I would add in that there was more advancement in Maggie and Glenn. They are back on track and read yto have their fairy tale ruined.

They didnt do a great job of conveying the weight on Ricks shoulders and his realization that he couldnt give up Michonne and handing off leadership, but that is a big step as well.

Breakdown · Mar 26, 2013

I hope when I die, its drinking whiskey and jamming out to motorhead

Tenks · Mar 26, 2013

But it was retarded. From what we understand (I was drunk during most of this episode) is at the onset of the zombie apocalypse Merle joined the group of people Rick eventually found. Rick cuffed Merle to the building and he eventually escaped where he was on the road and eventually found the Governor. How much time was there really for him to become some hardened kill-first person? It is also stupid because life in the post-apocalypse plays by a different set of rules. How many people did Rick kill before it? How many did Carl kill before it? The entire time during he and Michonne's conversation I was wondering just how stupid the entire thing is because scrapping to survive is what the world is about these days. No one was really upset when Rick sent Tyrese's group basically on a death march. Again the show is trying to portray the Governor as some monster that they haven't really shown how he is this terrible person. He is going a bit off the deep end as of late but for the most part when they try to portray the Governor as some evil person you have to ask "Why?" The answer isn't really on the tip of your tongue. Most responses you'd give you could say Rick did pretty much the exact same thing and he's the alleged freedom fighter.

Chukzombi · Mar 26, 2013

Gunnar_sl said:
Merle was brought back to be an example of what the Governor, and to Ricks Character, a Dictator does to people. Or at least this final episode finally showed that. I agree jamming this into one week was a but rushed.

But the fact was Merle dying and jsut being there did a lot. Rick saw what he could end up as if he bargained Michonne. We got to see what the Govenor can turn someone into. Going forward this will make a big difference in Daryl. We got to see that even the monster can make a choice and turn against the govenor.

I greatly like the Merle arc. Sadly it was jammed into a short period.

rick already laid out that things would go his way or they could GTFO. he didnt learn anything from merle and you really cant call rick any kind of dictator because he isn in charge of , what 5 people? high school guidance counsellors do more than he does. merle's best lines came when he was speaking to michonne, a character that mostly scowls. this episode, rick only came across as the giant pussy he has become this season. im not trying to go all emo, but i honestly cant see how anyone thinks anything happened this week other than merle suiciding himself. we all knew rick was never going to hand michonne over anyway and merle let her go too.

chaos · Mar 26, 2013

It's been more than a year at this point, and Merle wasn't killing people to survive. He was killing on orders from the Governor.

I agree, they have done a really really bad job with the Governor as a character. But the line between him and Rick is pretty stark. Rick doesn't kill people on a whim, he doesn't take people hostage and grab their titties, forever ruining their boyfriend's mind. He doesn't lie to his people to get their support, that was the whole point of his boring speech.

Tenks · Mar 26, 2013

I'm sure I could find him lying as and end to justify the means but he kept that kid hostage last season and kept throwing everyone new in jail this season. He killed the entire original prison crew one way or the other to get their shelter and supplies. I don't think the line is as clear as one may think.

Breakdown · Mar 26, 2013

Tenks_sl said:
But it was retarded. From what we understand (I was drunk during most of this episode) is at the onset of the zombie apocalypse Merle joined the group of people Rick eventually found. Rick cuffed Merle to the building and he eventually escaped where he was on the road and eventually found the Governor. How much time was there really for him to become some hardened kill-first person? It is also stupid because life in the post-apocalypse plays by a different set of rules. How many people did Rick kill before it? How many did Carl kill before it? The entire time during he and Michonne's conversation I was wondering just how stupid the entire thing is because scrapping to survive is what the world is about these days. No one was really upset when Rick sent Tyrese's group basically on a death march. Again the show is trying to portray the Governor as some monster that they haven't really shown how he is this terrible person. He is going a bit off the deep end as of late but for the most part when they try to portray the Governor as some evil person you have to ask "Why?" The answer isn't really on the tip of your tongue. Most responses you'd give you could say Rick did pretty much the exact same thing and he's the alleged freedom fighter.

If you cant see the Govenor as bad man then maybe you are a sociopath.

Maybe not everyone that watched this show (the 99 percent of the audience that isnt complete internet/Zombie whores like we are on this forum) spend all their time thinking of the best ways to survive the Zombie apocalypse. They dont even know a fictitious survival guide exists, let alone have they read it. Their first instinct isnt "When zombies come we should kill all other living humans because thats the way the world is".

Most people see this show and see Rick toeing the fine line between survival and evil. They see Rick do what it takes to protect his own, then see the govenor lie, murder, assault etc and they know "Yeah thats the bad guy".

chaos · Mar 26, 2013

Tenks_sl said:
I'm sure I could find him lying as and end to justify the means but he kept that kid hostage last season and kept throwing everyone new in jail this season. He killed the entire original prison crew one way or the other to get their shelter and supplies. I don't think the line is as clear as one may think.

He didn't kill them to get their shelter. He killed them to protect himself from them. That is a pretty big difference between say what Rick did with the prisoners and what the Governor did with the Army reservists.

Gravel · Mar 26, 2013

Outside of the Army guys, who has the governor just straight up murdered? They've alluded that it's happened before, but Rick's crew has been just as ruthless. The governor took in Andrea and Michone, and all of Tyreese's group.

That's why I think this show sucks. If you want him to be an evil guy, fucking do it. Knowing what people here have said about the comics, sure, I get what the governor issupposedto be. But the show failed so hard at portraying that. They've given us a confused character who doesn't act consistently at all.

chaos · Mar 26, 2013

Rick's crew has never done anything like what the Governor did with the Army guys. Again, yes, they have done a bad job establishing the Governor as the bad guy, especially now that they have just gone full psychopath with his character. But the line between the two is still very clearly defined.

Chukzombi · Mar 26, 2013

Rick may not be a bad guy but he certainly isnt what you call a good guy. Just a few episodes ago he let some camper get eaten when he could have picked him up. Governor is the villain but due the circumstances his villainy is grayer than typically shown. woodbury can even be used to point out that at least hes a more competant leader than rick. Ricks group is starving in a jail cell and Govs group has their shit together living in a well guarded fort town with running water and even electricity.

ShakyJake · Mar 26, 2013

Maester Chuk_sl said:
Rick may not be a bad guy but he certainly isnt what you call a good guy. Just a few episodes ago he let some camper get eaten when he could have picked him up.

I don't think that's fair. The group has been accosted enough times to be very leery of letting any strangers in.

Flunklesnarkin_sl · Mar 26, 2013

Somebody needs to hotwire a car with only one hand then post a youtube video.

Bonus points for rerolled ski mask

Louis · Mar 26, 2013

Didn't the gov also kill the nursing home people in the removed footage? Or was that just insinuated.

Cybsled · Mar 26, 2013

During that actual episode, they don't give any hints as to who killed the nursing home folks. However, in season 3, we see that the Governor has the bag that Rick gave to the nursing home. Not a solid connection, but enough to suspect it.

Chukzombi · Mar 26, 2013

ShakyJake_sl said:
I don't think that's fair. The group has been accosted enough times to be very leery of letting any strangers in.

its not as unfair as saying the Gov is evil because he ambushed the natl
guardsmen. Of course we are supposed to think that makes him a moustache twirling villain. Perhaps woodbury was attacked before by rogue military and he is leery of any new military.

Basically the difference beyween rick and Gov is that Gov does bad things to protect his people and rick allows bad things to happen to protect his people

Drinsic · Mar 26, 2013

shut the fuck up

Flunklesnarkin_sl · Mar 26, 2013

Maester Chuk_sl said:
its not as unfair as saying the Gov is evil because he ambushed the natl
guardsmen. Of course we are supposed to think that makes him a moustache twirling villain. Perhaps woodbury was attacked before by rogue military and he is leery of any new military.

and ideas like this is how a show turns into "Lost"

tokenblack_sl · Mar 26, 2013

Kind of sad how merle died, but if you think about it most people didn't like him anyways.

I can't wait for...........

-The gov to die
-Them to leave the prison

Just a side note, doesn't gasoline break down after a while? So all the cars they are driving a year and some change into the zombo apoc, shouldn't be working correctly right?

example: that old ass chevy that merle broke into, who's battery had enough juice to start/and set off a car alarm. (battery should have been dead/ gas ?)

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