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"We do not seek an agreement with the [Palestinian] Arabs in order to secure the peace. Of course we regard peace as an essential thing. It is impossible to build up the country in a state of permanent warfare. But peace for us is a mean, and not an end. The end is the fulfillment of Zionism in its maximum scope. Only for this reason do we need peace, and do we need an agreement."- David Ben Gurion, Shabtai Teveth, p. 168

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"Israel should have taken advantage of the suppression of the demonstrations in China [Tiananmen Square], when the world's attention was focused on what was happening in that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the Territories. However, to my regret, they did not support that policy that I proposed, and which I still propose should be implemented".- Benjamin Netanyahu, Deputy Foreign Minister, 1989

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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

News flash. All the land given to Israel *was* without resources. It was basically one big desert with some diamond mines. They've terraformed and irrigated it in a fashion that no other nation has been able to match. What happens when Israel gives such refined land to the Palestinians? this:Looters strip Gaza greenhouses - World news - Mideast/N. Africa | NBC News

Like I said, these people are so hateful, now trained from childhood to do so, that they would rather suffer than profit from something that was touched by an Israeli.

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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

Either Israelis live there or Arabs do. If having to choose one makes you a racist against the other, so be it.

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"The negotiations had to start with a decision to freeze settlement construction. We thought that we couldn't achieve that because of the current makeup of the Israeli government, so we gave up. We didn't realize Netanyahu was using the announcements of tenders for settlement construction as a way to ensure the survival of his own government. We didn't realize continuing construction allowed ministers in his government to very effectively sabotage the success of the talks.

"There are a lot of reasons for the peace effort's failure, but people in Israel shouldn't ignore the bitter truth -the primary sabotage came from the settlements. The Palestinians don't believe that Israel really intends to let them found a state when, at the same time, it is building settlements on the territory meant for that state.We're talking about the announcement of 14,000 housing units, no less. Only now, after talks blew up, did we learn that this is also about expropriating land on a large scale. That does not reconcile with the agreement.

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CHARLIE ROSE: I don't understand why you think building settlements in-
PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: Now let me talk to you.
CHARLIE ROSE: -East Jerusalem is necessary-
PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: Now let me tell you something. First of all, what-
CHARLIE ROSE: -to find a solution-
PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: Let me-let me tell you something.
CHARLIE ROSE: -when the world believes it stands in the way of a solution.
PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: Yeah, well, the world believes a lot of things, but the world doesn't get it. And here's what they don't get.
CHARLIE ROSE: I think the American president believes that.
PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: Well, let me-let me tell you what I think is the issue, and then you can judge whether you agree with me or not, and the same thing I say to everyone in the world. The settlements in the territories are not the cause of the conflict. They're-they're-
CHARLIE ROSE: Nobody says that. But they are-
PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: It's the result.
CHARLIE ROSE: -stand in the way of a solution.
PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: But-but here's the way you get a solution. They don't stand in the way, either. Ninety percent of the Jewish population is clustered in the-in Judea, Samaria, the West Bank, is clustered in a tiny fraction of that land. It's not an issue. It's a bogus issue.

JUAN GONZ?LEZ: Max Blumenthal, a "bogus issue"? "The world doesn't get it"?

MAX BLUMENTHAL: Well, a lot of Jewish Israelis believe that, and they might cheer Netanyahu for saying that. A majority of Jewish Israelis are against massive pullouts from the West Bank, and so this is also part of Netanyahu's appeal. And we also have to recognize-you know, I went into the Knesset, and in my book I interviewed a lot of the rising stars in Netanyahu's party. These are-

AMY GOODMAN: How did you get this exclusive access?

MAX BLUMENTHAL: I called. And, you know, it's not particularly difficult. They want-Israeli politicians want PR. And this younger generation feels like the more pro-settlement they can be, the more extreme they can be, the more votes they get. And so, the younger generation in Netanyahu's party, the future of Likud, favors annexing 60 percent of the West Bank. So does his economy minister, Naftali Bennett. This is the future of Israeli politics. And that's what is really appearing in the pages of my book, Goliath.

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In A Durable Peace, Netanyahu has cynically argued that the status quo of no peace mixed and a regime of low intensity war is preferable to final settlement of the 100 year old Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

One side is just a lot less bad than another. To me it's:
Palestinians celebrating the fall of the twin towers on 911 - YouTube

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The best evidence that we have for this is, in fact, the story of these five moving men. Now, three of these guys were seen on the morning of September 11, just after the first plane hit the North Tower, quote-unquote, "celebrating" on the New Jersey waterfront. Now, that's - I put the quotes around that, because it comes from a FBI BOLO, or "be on lookout," an alert that was put out regarding these men that day. The celebration apparently consisted of high-fiving, according to one FBI official, of holding up cigarette lighters, as if they're at a rock concert. So, remember, the plane has just hit the tower, exploded in the tower, and these three men are behaving rather oddly.

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Right. Well, what's interesting there is that, you recall after the first plane hit, no one really thought that this was a terrorist attack. I mean, most people thought - and I was there, you know, on the Brooklyn waterfront watching this whole thing.Everyone thought it was an accident. These guys, when they were interrogated by FBI, told them that - essentially said that they immediately knew it was a terrorist attack. And they actually told the FBI that the reason they were celebrating was because the attacks would be beneficial to Israel, that it was, quote, "a good thing for Israel" - that's according to the FBI spokesman who spoke on the record about this - and that it would bring sympathy for Israel's political agenda in the Middle East.

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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

No better place than Israel to remember 9/11 - YouTube

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"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," Ma'ariv quoted the former prime minister as saying. He reportedly added that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."

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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

Palestinian childrens TV show has a bee that teaches their children to shoot and kill Jews - YouTube
When we die as martyrs - Palestinian Children - YouTube

If that Pali children's video doesn't embody the most twisted, fucked-up thing you've ever seen and heard then I don't know what will. It certainly lends credence to Golda Maier quote:

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Blumenthal delves deeply into a dizzying range of items including how children in Israel schools are indoctrinated with the assistance of the military into following an extremist and xenophobic Jewish nationalist ideology.

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Israel education has presented military service as the primary goal of boys and girls from elementary school to high school.[194] As an example of the Army's central role, Israeli children are encouraged to write letters to Israeli soldiers.[195] In 2010 the IDF announced that as a result of recruitment problems it would introduce "Mobile Draft Offices" to visit 700 schools a year to making Israeli teenagers enthusiastic about military service; it also has started text messaging, online chats and other means to contact youth before they are conscripted.[196] In 1999 a member of the Israeli anti-draft group New Profile said about Israel's "military values" that "Children are indoctrinated throughout their whole lives and they're not given a chance to choose."

Dr. Nurit Peled-Elhanan, of the Tel Aviv University School of Education has said the Gadna military program for high school students "makes it clear, in no uncertain terms, at the supreme value is the state, and that the norms are established by the state and the army, whatever they may be...there is no room for hesitation, for criticism or any signs of these. All, including the parents, must contribute to the effort of conscription." Hebrew University Professor Matanya Ben Artzi, whose son was arrested for resisting conscription, said "This is a takeover by the army of the high school, that is meant to be the foundation for a civil society." Education Minister Yuli Tamir said "We educate the pupils to civil and social commitment to the state, which includes military service. If the IDF is helping us encourage this outlook of commitment, then I will support the program."[200]

Israeli Professor Edward Kaufman[201] has written that Israel's faith in military superiority, its use of "extra-judicial executions" or "targeted elimination" of suspects that often result in deaths of innocents, has exacerbated the conflict. He writes it has resulted in the fact that "Israeli schoolchildren are among the most violent in the world, a phenomenon believed to be the result of force being an accepted societal means of dispute resolution. An astonishing 43 percent of Israeli children have admitted to bullying others, while one in four Israeli boys admitted to carrying a knife to school for protection. It is only to be expected that Israel's use of overwhelming force to deal with the Palestinians has had a trickle-down effect on society. The culture of violence prevalent in Israel has had a dramatic impact on the most impressionable members of the community: children."

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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

"Peace will come to the Middle East when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us". Obviously true when you intentionally teach your toddlers to go throw rocks at armed soldiers, and that there is more value in death with Allah than life.

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Those nuts that burn their bras and walk around all disheveled and hate men? They're crazy. Crazy.

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There were no such thing as Palestinians.

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One day, or rather night, in 1956 I sat up at his [Ben-Gurion's] house till three in the morning. That night, a beautiful summer night, we had a forthright discussion on the Arab problem. "I don't understand your optimism," Ben-Gurion declared. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out. I'll be seventy years old soon. Well, Nahum, if you asked me whether I shall die and be buried in a Jewish State I would tell you Yes; in ten years, fifteen years, I believe there will still be a Jewish State. But ask me whether my son Amos, who will be fifty at the end of this year, has a chance of dying and being buried in a Jewish State, and I would answer: fifty-fifty."

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Jais_sl said:

Jews are better at fighting = Jews are murderers.

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Frenzied Wombat_sl said:

Will address your nutty counterarguments from conspiracy websites tomorrow.

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