You missed the entire point. Yes, the Israeli Arabs have all those rightsnow.However, they had to wait almost 20 years (1948-1968) of being treated almost as outright slaves before they began to receive these rights. The fact is, if the "loyal" Arabs that never engaged in violence and stuck around in Israel despite every indication that the Israel was going to lose and have their new nation overthrown still got 20 years of slavery, that doesn't bode well for the Palestinians if they lay down their arms. What good is it going to do them if they accept Israel's authority? They're pretty much guaranteed to have no rights until the current crop of IDF conscriptees has died and there's noone remaining alive that remembers the violence. You think Israel is going to let them have their own state? Having their own state implies they have a military. Even if the Palestinians give them 50 years of peace, Israel still isn't going to suffer the existence of an Arab Muslim military force 500 feet from Jerusalem and you damn well know it.
You do know that during the periods of 1948-1968 Israel was in a pretty much constant state of war with Arab neighbors right? When the US was at war with Japan, what did the US do with Japanese residents of the US despite the fact that unlike Israel, the foreign aggressor in question wasn't even on US land? You have no clue about the realities of war. The reality TODAY is that Arabs can be Israeli citizens, with all the rights that come with it. Palestinians can also be Israeli citizens, by law, as long as they swear an oath of allegiance, just like every country requires. You're logic is so messed up, because arabs had to wait twenty years to obtain the rights to Israeli citizenship, and the law that allows such exists now, Pallies would have to wait another 20 years. wtf? When/where can a Jew/Israeli be a citizen in any of the Arab countries whose aggregate land mass is 650X the size of Israel, whether it be past, present, or future? You criticize Israel for progressing to the point where they basically allow their enemies to have citizenship, despite the fact that there enemy has not only not done the same, but have laws that would allow for the legal unprovoked execution of a jew if they should set foot in Arab land?
I mean, seriously, the current conflict is all about the Gaza Strip. Look at the West Bank. There's no rockets coming out of there and the Second Intifada ended 10 years ago. What have the Palestinian residents there gained? Yeah, they have peace, but they're still stateless persons with no rights or citizenship that can have their property arbitrarily destroyed or seized at any time with no compensation. Israel will come and wreck all your shit simply because you're related to a Palestinian criminal/terrorist, even if said terrorist is in the Gaza Strip and you haven't had contact with them for years. If some Jews want to build another settlement and your "property" (Is it really property if it can just be taken at a whim?) is in the way, well tough shit for you.
That's actually a great example and I'm glad you brought it up. The conditions in the West Bank are a thousand times better than Gaza exactly for their more moderate stance. Their economy is better, unemployment is half that of Gaza, and living conditions and infrastructure are radically better. Why?? because they don't (or rarely) shoot fucking missiles anymore. What better fucking contrast and evidence do you need that Israel isn't hellbent on indiscriminately fighting the Palestinians? You fucking defend Hamas and lament the state of affairs in Gaza, when on the other side of the country there is living proof that if you reign in your missile launchers and suicide bombers, we'll stop air-striking you, putting an iron grip on your border, and allow your economy and populace to start thriving? Can they have their own state yet, no, but that's because of their buddies in Gaza, not because of the West Bank. of course that will change now since Abbas decided it was in their best interest to now ally with Hamas. Way to go Pallies! I guess stability and calm was too much of a reality shock. It never ceases to amaze me about how much the Palestinian poulation goes out of its way to shoot themselves in the foot and turn back the clock.
Examples of Palestinians killing Israeli civilians doesn't really phase me either, because Israel has killed literally an order of magnitude more civilians in this conflict than the Palestinians have and the use of Palestinian civilians as human shields can't account for all of that. It's much better than it used to be but in the early 80s Israel regularly imposed dusk-to-dawn curfews, would additionally declare large swaths of the Territories to be off limits, and would shoot violators on sight. The areas declared off limits would constantly shift and many people got massacred without even knowing they were in no-man's land. Sometimes the curfews were even 24/7, meaning Palestinians were not allowed to leave their homesat all.Why do you think the First Intifada got started? It was severe repression like this. The Palestinians certainly didn't suddenly decide they hated the Jews more than they did the previous 30 years. Fun fact: Israelicivilianskilled more Palestinians during the First Intifada than the total number of Israeli civilians killed in that entire conflict. Even if you give Israel's armed forces a complete pass on everything, Israel still loses the morality game.
Here's some real numbers for you:
Over the past 50+ years, around 10,000,000 Muslims have died in violent conflict. Of this number, over 90% were killed by Muslims themselves, in a Shia vs Sunni conflicts . Of the rest, over 90% were killed by non-Muslims, defending themselves against Muslim attackers.
During this same period, something like 50,000 have died in the Arab-Israeli conflict. 1/3 of them where Jews and 2/3 were Arabs (Muslim & Christian). 90% of these Arabs were not Palestinians but Egyptian and Syrian soldiers died in 1948/67/73 wars.
In September of 1970, around 20,000 Palestinians were killed by the entirely Muslim Royal Jordanian Army. Many times more than all the Palestinians killed by Israel since 1948.
There wasn't a single Arab who protested on that war crime.
Yet, If Israel kills a terrorist, the Arab world yells and cries.
Finally, people living Western countries, especially the United States, really have no right to criticize Arab and/or Muslim cultural traditions, even stuff like honor killings. It's a totally different culture. What, you think there's more respect for human life in Western culture? In many US states it is perfectly legal to shoot someone for committing minor theft or vandalism, even if noone's life or health is threatened. Remember, killing someone for stealing $50? Perfectly fine. Killing someone for adultery or "shaming the family"? You're an ignorant backwards heathen.
Full Retard right here. Newsflash: Stealing is considered a universal crime. I can't think of a single culture/religion where theft is legal. Punishments doled out for such may differ between countries, to the point where it can certainly be excessive, but everybody recognizes that theft is wrong and punishable. Please let me know when the rest of the world joins Islam in thinking its ok to kill a woman for sleeping with someone of a different religion. Do you have to try to be this stupid?
