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Mire_sl

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So you're trying to tell me that you're an Anglophone that holds dual US/Canadian citizenship (since you were born in Florida) yet you choose to live in a province that oppresses you, when not only could you live anywhere in Canada, but the US as well? Sorry, I don't buy that. If you are really an Anglophone, you certainly have the most compassionate view concerning your subjugation that I've ever heard spoken from a native English speaking Quebecer.
I never chose anything. My parents moved to Canada when I was 2 years old. I do not have dual citizenship. I am a Canadian citizen. As for the compassionate view, it turns out that I am on their turf. By choice or not, I live in a French province and I have to accept that. Learning a second language isn't such a big deal believe it or not. Again, an immigrant from Mexico that relocates to the U.S. and then starts complaining about how the Mexicans are being "ethnically cleansed" in an English speaking country (or state / province in my case), is not valid. I'm in the same situation.

The Parti Quebecois mantra right here, along with a perceived "threat", despite English speaking Quebecers not actively threatening the French with *anything* besides the fact they exist and speak English.
"Perceived" threat? Isn't American culture "threatened" by massive immigration from Mexico or any other country simply by the Hispanics "existing"? That's the whole point. Languages and cultures become blurred simply by mixing them, aka just "existing". Are you suggesting that if a MASSIVE influx of Mexican immigrants start relocating to Texas that Texas will always retain the same number of English speakers and Spanish will never become a "threat" to English speakers? I could have sworn there were/are a few republicans arguing this point...

So, I'm glad you can muster up some contradictory apologetic/sympathetic condemnation for the French ethnic cleansing the English
I do not see it that way at all. I see myself as a minority, which I am. I cannot claim that my culture or language is being "cleansed" because English is not the first language of the province I live in. If you want to argue that the French laws are not permitting any other language to become the dominant language, then fine, I don't have a problem with that either. They were here before I was. I am on their territory, I have to respect that, just the same way the Mexicans have to respect the English in the U.S. on your territory.

away out of paranoid fear (despite the fact that the English have actively done NOTHING to warrant it), yet obviously can manage little of the same for Israel when their version of "The English Problem" actively tries to kill them every day.
How do you see it? Israelis = French or English?
 

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this is why multiculturalism in reality is mono-culture, or at least will become monoculture
 

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I never chose anything. My parents moved to Canada when I was 2 years old. I do not have dual citizenship. I am a Canadian citizen. As for the compassionate view, it turns out that I am on their turf. By choice or not, I live in a French province and I have to accept that. Learning a second language isn't such a big deal believe it or not. Again, an immigrant from Mexico that relocates to the U.S. and then starts complaining about how the Mexicans are being "ethnically cleansed" in an English speaking country (or state / province in my case), is not valid. I'm in the same situation.
Well, hold on there a second. You said you were "born in Florida", which makes you a US citizen unless your parents explicitly petitioned the government for renunciation of your citizenship. You can't migrate at two years old without having held prior citizenship, even if you were born is some other country other than the US.. So what's the true story?

In any case, your Mexican analogy is totally warped. The United States is English. If you're a Mexican immigrant whining about your rights to operate daily in Spanish, you are complaining about the lack of respect given to a language that is foreign to the country you are emigrating to. With the exception of Quebec, the rest of Canada is overwhelmingly English. So playing the "humble immigrant" role is bullshit, not only because the tongue in question is native to the country you are moving to, but because it also has a long standing NATIVE history in the province in question as well. English people in Quebec aren't "foreigners" lol. But again, your Quebec nationalism shines through, because you obviously view yourself as a Quebecker rather than a Canadian.


mire_sl said:
"Perceived" threat? Isn't American culture "threatened" by massive immigration from Mexico or any other country simply by the Hispanics "existing"? That's the whole point. Languages and cultures become blurred simply by mixing them, aka just "existing". Are you suggesting that if a MASSIVE influx of Mexican immigrants start relocating to Texas that Texas will always retain the same number of English speakers and Spanish will never become a "threat" to English speakers? I could have sworn there were/are a few republicans arguing this point...
Again, the difference is HUGE. English is one of the native/official languages of Canada, and is spoken by the vast majority of its citizens. French Canadians don't have the right to feel "threatened" by the English, because they are NATIVES to Canada. But even if your horrible analogy held true, Americans STILL provide more FREEDOM to foreign immigrants than French Canadians do to their NATIVE Anglophones. If a Mexican wants to open a taco shop in East Dallas with a Spanish only sign, they can do that. Can an English person do that in Quebec? Nobody forces English down a Mexican's throat-- if they want to only speak Spanish and limit their job prospects to operating a leaf blower, that's their prerogative.

Mire_sl said:
I do not see it that way at all. I see myself as a minority, which I am. I cannot claim that my culture or language is being "cleansed" because English is not the first language of the province I live in. If you want to argue that the French laws are not permitting any other language to become the dominant language, then fine, I don't have a problem with that either. They were here before I was. I am on their territory, I have to respect that, just the same way the Mexicans have to respect the English in the U.S. on your territory.
Again, you see yourself as a Quebecker rather than a Canadian. You're not a minority in the country you live in, you're a minority in the Province you live in. This is why the rest of Canada dislikes Quebec so much. Sanctimonious, state based nationalism that flips its middle finger at the rest of Canada while milking the federal government for huge transfer payments. Federalism is only cool with Quebecers when it's beneficial to them.



mire_sl said:
How do you see it? Israelis = French or English?
I see Quebec as yet another cautionary tale on how appeasement eventually ends with getting the tables turned on you. French wanted more rights, got more rights, then started oppressing their so called oppressors. Then still, to this day, French/English relations are tenuous at best, and that's without one side believing in martyring, bomb belts, and 72 virgins.
 

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Exactly correct, and the rest of the world embraces it, or at least lives with it, because the recognize it as a need to stay competitive in todays global economy. The laws Quebec enacts to "protect" itself only cause more harm than good, because they can really only a) affect their own population, or b) stymie outside investment. All these other countries that allow companies to setup shop in English for the betterment of their economy? That isn't allowed in Quebec. Your company must operate locally in French.

They can't stop the internet from being viewed in English (though they try on a local level--Quebec based web servers need to be in French), and they can't stop people from watching US TV/movies. Their laws only harm their economy and population without actually accomplishing anything except forcing English people to leave and making sure their own French population can barely speak English. Nevertheless, US and English Canadian media has been piped into Quebec for years, yet the French speaking population still thrives. There's seven million of them, a lot who never even get exposure to English beyond the media-- they aren't going anywhere.
The Quebecois act like this because theFrenchact like this. It's not just English, either - take a look at what they've tried to do to the Breton-speaking Celts in Normandy, or came damn close to doing to the German-speakers in Alsace-Lorraine or the Occitainians. They've got this massive insecurity complex about the French language where not only must it be theonlylanguage spoken, it has to be theapprovedversion.
 

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The Quebecois act like this because theFrenchact like this. It's not just English, either - take a look at what they've tried to do to the Breton-speaking Celts in Normandy, or came damn close to doing to the German-speakers in Alsace-Lorraine or the Occitainians. They've got this massive insecurity complex about the French language where not only must it be theonlylanguage spoken, it has to be theapprovedversion.
Yes, absolutely true. They both share this false sense of elitism. Ironically though, if you were to tell a Quebecer that they are similar to the French from France, they'll fucking freak. That's probably one of the most insulting things you can tell a French Quebecker. Likewise if you were to compare someone from France to a French Canadian, they'd be equally insulted. When I was in France I can't count the number of times I was told "oh how cute, you speak like a farmer" because of my French Quebec accent. To be fair though, the Quebec accent is utterly unharmonious compared to a Parisien one.
 

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When I was in France I can't count the number of times I was told "oh how cute, you speak like a farmer" because of my French Quebec accent. To be fair though, the Quebec accent is utterly unharmonious compared to a Parisien one.
Thats not surprising at all, people from Fort Worth talk like fucking hillbillies and thats only like 30 miles from Dallas where most people talk normally.
 

Mire_sl

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Well, hold on there a second. You said you were "born in Florida", which makes you a US citizen unless your parents explicitly petitioned the government for renunciation of your citizenship. You can't migrate at two years old without having held prior citizenship, even if you were born is some other country other than the US.. So what's the true story?
The only documentation I hold is a US birth certificate. I do not have a U.S. social insurance number. My parents never explicitly petitioned the government for anything. I've crossed the U.S./Canada border a few times and all I ever needed to enter was the birth certificate. I bring my Canadian passport with me every time I go, "just in case". I admit that I don't know what it would take (if anything) to reinstate (assuming it was some how revoked in the past somehow) my U.S. citizenship (or if it's already valid). I've been told a few times by both U.S. customs officers and my family accountant that I am not currently a U.S. citizen. I never asked why or for more details because I don't think I will be moving back soon.

In any case, your Mexican analogy is totally warped. The United States is English. If you're a Mexican immigrant whining about your rights to operate daily in Spanish, you are complaining about the lack of respect given to a language that is foreign to the country you are emigrating to. With the exception of Quebec, the rest of Canada is overwhelmingly English. So playing the "humble immigrant" role is bullshit, not only because the tongue in question is native to the country you are moving to, but because it also has a long standing NATIVE history in the province in question as well. English people in Quebec aren't "foreigners" lol. But again, your Quebec nationalism shines through, because you obviously view yourself as a Quebecker rather than a Canadian.
We have completely different world views. I don't agree that borders (of a country as a whole) determine usable language. Ukraine (and the Russian language) is a good example of a multilingual country (lots more in Europe). Although the official language of Ukraine is Ukrainian, speaking Ukrainian in Crimea would put you in the minority in that specific "region". The country's borders as a whole (in my opinion) has very little to do with culture and the use of language. Again, when it comes to culture, I see borders as imaginary. We will never agree on this point, and that's fine. Ohh, and I think you don't have to be considered a "foreigner" to be able to speak a different language, even if you're in the same country. Also, I do not consider myself to be a Quebecer or an admirer of the French in general. I very much voted against sovereignty in 1994 and would do the same any time in the future. Again, me understanding why the French do what they do doesn't make me a Parti Quebecois supporter.

Again, the difference is HUGE. English is one of the native/official languages of Canada, and is spoken by the vast majority of its citizens. French Canadians don't have the right to feel "threatened" by the English, because they are NATIVES to Canada. But even if your horrible analogy held true, Americans STILL provide more FREEDOM to foreign immigrants than French Canadians do to their NATIVE Anglophones. If a Mexican wants to open a taco shop in East Dallas with a Spanish only sign, they can do that. Can an English person do that in Quebec? Nobody forces English down a Mexican's throat-- if they want to only speak Spanish and limit their job prospects to operating a leaf blower, that's their prerogative.
Again, as I've said before, I do not support such idiotic laws. Laws such as how big the French text is versus how big the English text on your company's front door is retarded. Although I think these types of laws are ridiculous, I see them as a kind of primitive mechanism to preserve their language. Also, the objective of the French is not to destroy English, it is to preserve French. If Mexicans were trying to take over Quebec, you'd have the same reaction towards the Mexicans.

Again, you see yourself as a Quebecker rather than a Canadian.
False. This does not need further a explanation from me as it is an assumption.

You're not a minority in the country you live in, you're a minority in the Province you live in.
This I can get behind 100%.

This is why the rest of Canada dislikes Quebec so much. Sanctimonious, state based nationalism that flips its middle finger at the rest of Canada while milking the federal government for huge transfer payments. Federalism is only cool with Quebecers when it's beneficial to them.
I agree 100% that Quebec is by far the most corrupt province of Canada. Highest taxes, shittiest roads etc, etc. The STM (buses and metros), Hydro Quebec, Videotron (Cable company) and all similar companies will likely hire French Canadians over everyone else. They want to keep as much money as they can inside the French community and fuck everyone else, hence why western Canada forks over more money towards the east. Again, I see why they do what they do but I don't support one shred of it.

I see Quebec as yet another cautionary tale on how appeasement eventually ends with getting the tables turned on you. French wanted more rights, got more rights, then started oppressing their so called oppressors. Then still, to this day, French/English relations are tenuous at best, and that's without religion even being involved.
The way I see it, they can pass all the laws they want. They can have all of the rights they want. They can continue to censor the English forever. Every day that passes, Quebec becomes more and more English for reasons beyond the control of the French. Business is one huge factor and believe it or not, the French love American culture. Almost every French person I know loves Elvis and Harleys. I think it's safe to say that Quebec will not remain French forever. Don't forget that the extremists are always the most vocal.
 

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Cheers!

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Frenzied Wombat

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Thats not surprising at all, people from Fort Worth talk like fucking hillbillies and thats only like 30 miles from Dallas where most people talk normally.
Quite true; I find it amusing when someone with a southern drawl makes fun of how I pronounce "couch", "house", and "about". Then, if I want to give an American a total aneurysm, I throw "garburator" in there.
 

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As an Anglophone living in a province that is mostly French, I understand that I have to be able to speak French, the same way an immigrant from Mexico should be able to speak English in the U.S. In this case, I am in the minority. As an English speaker, I absolutely detest the French laws which try to inhibit the English community from growing (such as forcing children to go to French school). There is nothing I hate more than laws such as the old bill 101.

On the other hand, when I put myself in a Francophone's shoes, I UNDERSTAND why they're doing this. This is not to say that I condone their actions. The French in Quebec are surrounded by English speaking provinces. Most big businesses in the downtown area of Montreal are English and originated either from other provinces in Canada or the U.S. Regardless of how many laws they pass or whatever stupid actions they take, they will have to cooperate with the English for (at the very least) business reasons.

The French see this as a threat to their culture, which I guess is somewhat true. If they were to NOT make any laws or create restrictions for Anglophones, the French speakers would be assimilated to English even faster than they are now. I see this as the French "reacting" to the English "threat". Is it the best approach to preserve the French language and culture? Maybe not. But I don't hate them FOR TRYING to preserve their language. I can't really blame any group of people for trying to preserve their identity, but I can criticize how they do it. I see it relating Israel / Palestine pretty well (minus targeting children and blowing shit up).
It's in our benefit in the long run.

While the French have their council of wizards declaring which words you are allowed to say, the English have a dictionary which instead just records the words people invent themselves to use. This means that English is becoming the global language because it is a crazy mongrel language where if you want to combine it with Indian you fucking can, I say as I actually put on my Pajamas IRL.
 

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The only documentation I hold is a US birth certificate. I do not have a U.S. social insurance number. My parents never explicitly petitioned the government for anything. I've crossed the U.S./Canada border a few times and all I ever needed to enter was the birth certificate. I bring my Canadian passport with me every time I go, "just in case". I admit that I don't know what it would take (if anything) to reinstate (assuming it was some how revoked in the past somehow) my U.S. citizenship (or if it's already valid). I've been told a few times by both U.S. customs officers and my family accountant that I am not currently a U.S. citizen. I never asked why or for more details because I don't think I will be moving back soon.
Well, I've got some pretty amazing news for you then--that US birth certificate IS basically your US citizenship. Maybe some lawyer can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty much 99% sure you can walk into any US Social Security office with that birth certificate and get a SSN. At that point getting a passport, driver's license, etc are all trivial. Dual citizenship opens up a truckload of opportunity--not sure why you never looked into it.. I mean, I love Montreal as a fun/cool city (where else can you see a strip club located across the street from a church), but it's fucking cold as hell and the financial opportunities simply suck, even with a good education.


Every day that passes, Quebec becomes more and more English for reasons beyond the control of the French. Business is one huge factor and believe it or not, the French love American culture. Almost every French person I know loves Elvis and Harleys. I think it's safe to say that Quebec will not remain French forever. Don't forget that the extremists are always the most vocal.
Hmm, I don't see it. The language is becoming more polluted with "franglais" as the French adopt English words that have a cumbersome French equivalent, but so does every other language. When I go back to Montreal to visit family, year after year it seems people are less inclined to speak to me in English. As for French Canadians "loving American culture" then I guess it depends on how you define culture. They love American "things", but dislike Americans. In other words, they generalize Americans as "stupid warmongering rednecks" but happily consume American movies and other goods.
 

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They love American "things", but dislike Americans. In other words, they generalize Americans as "stupid warmongering rednecks" but happily consume American movies and other goods.
I don't think that this is exclusively French
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Could be a European thing.
 

Mire_sl

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As for French Canadians "loving American culture" then I guess it depends on how you define culture. They love American "things", but dislike Americans. In other words, they generalize Americans as "stupid warmongering rednecks" but happily consume American movies and other goods.
You're correct about their general view on Americans, "stupid warmongering rednecks". However, you don't have to a agree with another country's foreign policy in order to enjoy its culture.
 

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You say it like being a stupid warmongering redneck is a bad thing. Pax Americana.

The last time Canada got invaded, WE were the ones that did it. They would come for your docile women and your cheap dickpills. Oh, they would come.
 

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You say it like being a stupid warmongering redneck is a bad thing. Pax Americana.

The last time Canada got invaded, WE were the ones that did it. They would come for your docile women and your cheap dickpills. Oh, they would come.
Canada has never been invaded. The war of 1812 occurred before Canada was a country (1867).
 

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Didn't the White House get burnt down in that war?
Pretty much. The British Army fresh from war in France burned a good number of public buildings in DC. In fact, the White House is white because it was painted over to cover fire damage. Before that it was a combination of sandstone and wood iirc.