The Zionists are whining thread

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ZyyzYzzy

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I don't think you are taking the relative innovation it required to create these wonders. Just because something is faster and has more bells and whistles doesn't mean the thought process to design it was more impressive than the creativity used to produce a machine that had nothing like it on Earth before it was invented. Most of the tech we have today is simply improved versions of these original ideas. The printer is an improved version of the typewriter which is an improved version of the printing press. The printing press was the totally new idea. The others were just upgrades.
What do you think progress is? By your standards the agricultural revolution will never be topped because it allowed for society to exist as it does and for individuals to not spend the majority of their time finding food.

Also, you are quite wrong about the Renaissance.
 

Agraza

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Nobody wrote anything down before the printing press. And there weren't places that dealt exclusively with copying and translating previous books either. That all began after the printing press. /sarcasm

The internet, radio, electricity, and all the complexities of modern medicine completely eclipse the renaissance. The 20th century was an amazing century of technological advancement. This is some "get off my lawn" "everything was better back in 1xxx" shit.
 

Arakkis

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You're a fucking idiot who chose to ignore the entire rest of the fucking world. Also, for the average peasant the Dark Ages weren't terrible. Life expectancy was actually a bit higher for the masses.
Yeah I hear there is a movement to change the name of the Dark Ages to That Somewhat Irksome Span. Please, tell me all about the magical time and place that dwarfs the Renaissance in sociological and scientific progress.

The typewriter was not an "improved version of the printing press" Its a standalone invention which revolutionized writing in business, gov, and personal as a whole since people can type 50x faster than write by hand and pen.
The typewriter was just a quicker way of doing metal typesetting by individual letters rather than entire pages at once.

Why have a device dedicated to making copies of documents that no one is interested in reading or even can read? I would say a general change in society to value education and knowledge made a much larger difference then the printing press itself.
Do you think that it's possible that the reduction in price of books because of the ease of manufacture the printing press provided may have led to the proliferation of written materials and thus put literacy within grasp of the general population?
 

khalid

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Arakkis, your ignorance of history is only equaled by your ignorance of the current state of science. The Internet has been an absolute gold-mine for research and collaboration. Comparing the rate of scientific advancement now to the renaissance is laughable in the extreme.
 

Arakkis

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I'm not commenting on rate or volume of technological advancement. You guys keep missing the point of my original post. The question was about intelligence. Your point about the internet is exactly what I am commenting on. Let me quote the important part.

However, The Renaissance was a movement from one of the darkest moments in recorded human history to the most expansive leaps forward in human thinkingever. The amount of original ideas produced during this time far eclipses what we are doing now.
RELATIVE to the previous 1500 years, the Renaissance (~300 years) was a quantum leap in human progress. The fact that there was no internet, nor even readily available books to spread information reinforces how intelligent people had to be to come up with ideas from limited to no previously done work.

Folks are poo-pooing this as a European advancement and thinking that I am not taking into account things like the Islamic Golden Age, or the Tang and Sung Dynasties in China where rate of advancement can be more accurately compared. However, the Mongols brought about a Dark Age in Asia and the Middle East that they STILL haven't recovered completely from. Also, those "golden ages" were much longer than the Renaissance, and while they produced incredible advancements that certainly influenced the Renaissance, they are just simply not as impressive. Had they occurred AFTER the Mongols, then both would be comparable to the Renaissance, but they did not.

Also, "laughable in the extreme" makes you sound like a douche.
 

Kaines

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RELATIVE to the previous 1500 years, the Renaissance (~300 years) was a quantum leap in human progress. The fact that there was no internet, nor even readily available books to spread information reinforces how intelligent people had to be to come up with ideas from limited to no previously done work.
Even Isaac Newton disagrees with you.

?If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.?
? Isaac Newton,The Correspondence Of Isaac Newton
 

Arakkis

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Interesting, because Isaac Newton was born near the end of the Renaissance, so he probably was standing on the shoulders of giants.
 

fanaskin

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that's not a fake funeral it's a protest, that's not hamas, hamas uses green flags, also that's probably eqypt.
 

Borzak

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Cool. They should do more protest, in for the laughs when a military truck runs over the lot of them.
 

Borzak

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Haha, you got busted for posting bullshit then turned into a whiny baby about it.
Yup you got me. I would actually more than happy if they were actually dead. Once Israel drives them into the sea that's one less topic on general I have to read on the ocassional basis.