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Royal

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That's exactly how season 1 was written too. There wasn't a single "decent" person on that main cast. I'm pretty sure that's the formula for this show.
Well Marty's wife was decent for most of the series. It's not that there has to be decent people as characters, they just can't all be broken to the point of being so closed-off. Marty was closed off only to his wife and kids. Rust was closed off to everyone but was still compelled to "bear witness" as he put it.
 

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Damn you guys are a tough crowd. I am not sure after 2 episodes of season 1 people would have declared it one of the best TV shows of all time. Give it some time, I thought the this seasons 2nd episode was better then the 1st and I seem to recall thats how season 1 unfolded, each episode was better then the last.
 

popsicledeath

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That's exactly how season 1 was written too. There wasn't a single "decent" person on that main cast. I'm pretty sure that's the formula for this show.
Season 1 depicted the complexities of human nature. We had people who did bad things, but were still at times good; or the 'good' guy being show to sometimes be bad. People who had gone through tragedy, but in a strangely optimistic way kept going forward. People who had every reason to be as depressed, flat and as Eeyore as they wanted, but that makes for bad tv, so were given complexities. Season 1 was actually pretty humorous, nuanced, charming, etc. Characters were their lived histories, which was sometimes dark, but never completely stifling like they were no longer multidimensional people who were complex and nuanced.

The moral complexity of the second season consistently clunks by repeatedly having one character tell another character "you're bad" or "you're not right" or having awkward monologues where the other character in the scene has to actually ask what he's talking about to remind us, oh yeah or someone flat out doing the "you know what your problem is" trope. There's no charm, no winks, no smirks, no sarcasm, nothing but delivering depressing, pessimistic line after line as if that's interesting or dramatic.

We look at season 1 and say 'well, it's just better tv with only 2 characters!" as if all shows with only two characters are better. Umm, no, it was better because every step of the way the production value was better.

The second season is suffering from a typical sophomore slump. You spend years finding people to believe in your idea and help create a show and give their all to the project from a point of passion, and believe in it and you get amazing results. You then find a ton of success and are asked to do it again, come up with a second script, cast for it from big names that want to be involved. The cast gets bloated, the story gets rushed, actors are doing their jobs but don't seem fully in because they're not.

Hey, if it happened to Jewel it can happen to anyone!
 

popsicledeath

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....a man who has struggled to the top would be at least a little more savvy. His conversation with the mayor (that guy is the mayor of vinci right?) led me to believe he just kind of fell into his place within that corrupt city and has had an easy time with things because of how corrupt everything is and was long before he got there. He hasn't had to build anything there himself.
Probably true. And probably a theme: you're so corrupt; so corrupt and you don't even know it. It's been so easy you can openly discuss kickbacks by simply saying "hey, get me that kickback or else" which felt clumsy even for people who have only known corruption.

But, maybe everyone in the show is dead, especially VV and the show is just his own unconscious dreams of living in world made of paper mache!
 

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Khane

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Season 1 depicted the complexities of human nature. We had people who did bad things, but were still at times good; or the 'good' guy being show to sometimes be bad. People who had gone through tragedy, but in a strangely optimistic way kept going forward. People who had every reason to be as depressed, flat and as Eeyore as they wanted, but that makes for bad tv, so were given complexities. Season 1 was actually pretty humorous, nuanced, charming, etc. Characters were their lived histories, which was sometimes dark, but never completely stifling like they were no longer multidimensional people who were complex and nuanced.

The moral complexity of the second season consistently clunks by repeatedly having one character tell another character "you're bad" or "you're not right" or having awkward monologues where the other character in the scene has to actually ask what he's talking about to remind us, oh yeah or someone flat out doing the "you know what your problem is" trope. There's no charm, no winks, no smirks, no sarcasm, nothing but delivering depressing, pessimistic line after line as if that's interesting or dramatic.

We look at season 1 and say 'well, it's just better tv with only 2 characters!" as if all shows with only two characters are better. Umm, no, it was better because every step of the way the production value was better.

The second season is suffering from a typical sophomore slump. You spend years finding people to believe in your idea and help create a show and give their all to the project from a point of passion, and believe in it and you get amazing results. You then find a ton of success and are asked to do it again, come up with a second script, cast for it from big names that want to be involved. The cast gets bloated, the story gets rushed, actors are doing their jobs but don't seem fully in because they're not.

Hey, if it happened to Jewel it can happen to anyone!
You're really jumping the gun there considering it's only the second episode and we haven't gotten anything more than bits and pieces of each character's past or had a chance to see how they react to this case...
 

Royal

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Damn you guys are a tough crowd. I am not sure after 2 episodes of season 1 people would have declared it one of the best TV shows of all time. Give it some time, I thought the this seasons 2nd episode was better then the 1st and I seem to recall thats how season 1 unfolded, each episode was better then the last.
I wasn't in the best TV show of all time camp at this point in S1 (the aroma of Breaking Bad was still hanging in the air) but the show had it's hooks in me by the time Rustin Cohle spoke the words "Then start asking the right fuckin' questions". I don't expect a repeat this time around but I'm fully open to being pleasantly surprised.

The engine isn't knocking there's just a little smoke coming out of the exhaust, that's all. It might clear up.
 

Homsar

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I liked season 1 but it isnt some fucking masterpiece like some of you guy are making it out to be holy fuck. people also had Daddarios tits hold up the second episode
 

popsicledeath

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You're really jumping the gun there considering it's only the second episode and we haven't gotten anything more than bits and pieces of each character's past or had a chance to see how they react to this case...
Look, you know something feels off with this season. I'm just trying to explain why. You can pretend I'm just an outlier hating on a show just to spite you, but look around at all the people feeling something is off. How long are people supposed to wait for it to get better? Do you think MORE exposition and ham-fisted dialog revealing information on the characters is what makes them nuanced or complex? Pro-tip: it's not the information about a character, but how well the viewer feels they're an embodiment of their lived history that makes a character feel real and believable and complex, and thus empathetic and interesting.

This season could get better, sure. Hell, it kinda only has that direction to go. But what we've seen so far doesn't bode well, and even the people fighting tooth and nail to defend this season know something is amiss. You may not like the reasons being given, but try to tell anyone this season is perfectly fine and hitting on all cylinders. Oh, we're supposed to wait for it to get good? Well, that doesn't seem like a very sound approach to writing a show!
 

popsicledeath

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I liked season 1 but it isnt some fucking masterpiece like some of you guy are making it out to be holy fuck. people also had Daddarios tits hold up the second episode
Nobody is saying season 1 is perfect, but there are objective reasons it was well received. It's the most logical comparison because a) it's the same fucking show with the same writer everyone gave a ton of credit to and b) season 1 managed to do things season 2 isn't doing from a craft/creation/production element so the things season 2 isn't doing is all the more obvious because it's the same fucking show and same fucking writer so how is the dialog suddenly very stilted and flat?!

I guess in interviews various people have said Harrelson was a big key in the first episode. He'd add in funny little comebacks to break the tension and they felt so natural and went so well they just kept them and encouraged more.

It's pretty telling the best defense against the quality of season 2 is people just saying 'it's only the second episode idiot it could get better' or 'it's not season 1 idiot shuddup.' Hey, retards, why don't you just attempt to defend the things people are pointing out about season 2. Defend that shitty paper mache scene! Defend Velcro swallowing every punchy line like he'll kill a dog if he makes another character smirk.

Defend why a dirty cop in a house he got information on from the crime boss that has him by the balls hosters his fucking weapon when he sees a huge puddle of blood! Is it because the first season wasn't as great as we all thought, or because Season 2 will get better?
 

Chukzombi

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i think the way we are discussing this show is evidence that there isnt anything really interesting so far to discuss. if fanbois are getting mad that we're comparing this to season 1 they must also realize this season is slower paced and muddled. i mean by episode 2 of season 1 we had some great atmosphere going on, a serial killer(s), a bunch of weird mystical stuff indicating there was some southern hoodoo going down and two fantastic actors playing off each other.

what do we have so far? a few burned out cops, a lame gangster and a weird closet fag involved in a case about some perv getting dickshot who owed some money to the gangster. the end of this week would have gone a long way in changing that, but they fucked it up because the guy is somehow fine after getting blasted with a shotgun point blank. his innards should all be goo.
 

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I had to rewind when McAdams was telling the shrink about her family. At first I though she said "He became a cop" in reference to herself.
 

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Right off the bat Rustin was clearly light years ahead of Marty in intelligence and experience along with being 50 kinds of fucked up. And it took a while before we were let in on the fact that Marty wasn't actually all that different and that Rust was mostly just punishing himself.

You don't have that glaring dichotomy here. That was something that could only really be done once anyway.

It beats the buddy cop formula, or the over the top self-delusion of The Shield.

PS: I think I understood one word in three of the whispered dialog in bed at the beginning. I even put headphones on and turned them to max. Shitty mixing of the audio? I have my center channel boosted to hell, normalization everywhere and everything set to stereo...
 

Khane

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You guys do realize that you aren't supposed to get the same vibe right? This is a completely different show each season other than it's always a cop show.
 

Feien

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So many jimmies RUSTled about this season.

I may be alone here, but I've been enjoying VV's performance so far.
 

rhinohelix

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Right off the bat Rustin was clearly light years ahead of Marty in intelligence and experience along with being 50 kinds of fucked up. And it took a while before we were let in on the fact that Marty wasn't actually all that different and that Rust was mostly just punishing himself.

You don't have that glaring dichotomy here. That was something that could only really be done once anyway.

It beats the buddy cop formula, or the over the top self-delusion of The Shield.

PS: I think I understood one word in three of the whispered dialog in bed at the beginning. I even put headphones on and turned them to max. Shitty mixing of the audio? I have my center channel boosted to hell, normalization everywhere and everything set to stereo...
There isn't the possible supernatural vibe to the show but holy moly, Vince Vaughn's monologue there was super creepy.
 

khalid

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There isn't the possible supernatural vibe to the show but holy moly, Vince Vaughn's monologue there was super creepy.
There were quite a few really memorable "quiet" scenes I enjoyed this episode.

Vince Vaughn's creepy monologue that you mentioned.
The conversation in the car starting with the robot dick and ending with "How compromised are you"
Velcoro almost breaking down talking to his wife about their son, breaking off in the middle of saying it was all he had.
VV and the mayor's back and forth.

I don't get the complaints about the writing at all.
 

Chukzombi

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You guys do realize that you aren't supposed to get the same vibe right? This is a completely different show each season other than it's always a cop show.
technically not true, season2 has a lot of other similarities to season one so far. 2 burned out corrupt cops, fucked up religious angle, weird people wearing strange shit on their head, missing hookers and sweeping landscape camera shots. i say they are doing their best to recreate season 1 but in a more urban setting. on paper it would make people think of season 1 and it make us love this season as well, but in reality it just makes us miss how well done season one was in comparison to this brooding mess.

i realize we are only two episodes in and anything can happen and probably will, but so far its a non starter. i hope it picks up. i also hope they have a non bullshit explanation for farrell being alive next week. hint, rock salt/bean bag shotgun blast=bullshit