True Detective

Jozu_sl said:

Seriously there is nothing fucking wrong with season 2. In a vacuum it would be some of the best shit on TV right now if it already isnt, but it being compared to S1 automatically knocks it down quite a few fucking pegs "just because".

The MINUTE everyone knew after season 1 that the showrunner was casting NEW characters for a totally new plot, time and setting was a HUGE fucking letdown. Right then and there you knew you were going to have to adjust because losing Rust and co. was going to fucking suck. And it does suck. We are all trying to look at time as a flat circle but sadly S2 isn't going to provide it bros. We got what we got, and I for one appreciate our new mustachio'd overlord Velcoro.

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there are things wrong with season 2 . Quite a few actually, but there are only a few major issues. Its still early days, but you cant just ignore the issues others are having with this program

popscicle should just get shawed.

grumblethorn_sl said:

Most of you and popsicles issues, is your inability to stop holding everything against your preconceived notions of how it should go from the jump. VV sucks, he's only a comedic actor, the story is slow, it doesnt follow the exact same flow and style as the first season. HUUURRRRRR. You people remind me of D&D rules lawyering killjoys who need to nitpick the fuck out of everything.

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The only thing I expect from season 2 was that it be well written, well direct, well cast, etc. So, yes, in that regard it doesn't hold up to the first. It's just simply not as well made.

Is your best argument is to simply tell me what my problem is instead of responding to the actual criticism I and others seem to have? Are you really going to mockingly point out VV's performace and the slow story, as if it's not pretty obvious those are issues? Are you really going to use tropes like "HUUUUURRRRR" as a way to try to make an intelligent point?

You're going to call other people the nitpickers, when it seems if a show has a single evident flaw pointed out you can no longer enjoy it? Why can't you still like a show that others still like despite pointing out and discussing criticism of the show? Why can't you simply engage in the discussion on an intelligent level, provide some perspective, a few insights, a few well reasoned rebuttals? How tough is it for you to live in a world so black and white, where any flaw is reason to react with such emotional desperation, as if your world just came crashing down by other people thinking the things you enjoy may not be perfect instead of just engaging intelligently in the discussion?

It's strange you're even in the thread anymore, as you seem to really not be enjoying this show...

Homsar_sl said:

popscickle should just get shawed.

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Because I have a few issues with a show I'm otherwise enjoying, and am discussing those issues with others that seem to have some of the same issues?

With your logic the only person left in TESO thread would be Rescola and Quaid. What's the point of a discussion forum at that point, if the only reason is so you can have your own personal likes and dislikes validated?

ever since the premier happened you bitch about anything in the show. You have and issue with the way Farrell brought up the guy is seeing a shrink.....no one else had a issue or gave a shit about that but you bitched about it. If the show was doing anything that you are takling about it would be awful

Homsar_sl said:

ever since the premier happened you bitch about anything in the show. You have and issue with the way Farrell brought up the guy is seeing a shrink.....

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I'd respond, but I'm not comprehending your English.

Homsar_sl said:

ever since the premier happened you bitch about anything in the show. You have and issue with the way Farrell brought up the guy is seeing a shrink.....no one else had a issue or gave a shit about that but you bitched about it. If the show was doing anything that you are takling about it would be awful

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Not nice to edit after someone already quotes you!

Would you quote the post or explain what I had an issue with? I'm not following what you're referring to. It would be nice if you clarified so we could discuss the point since it's clearly upsetting you.

I'm not as sucked in as I was during season 1 at this point, but this is still good television. I hate dramas, I barely liked Breaking Bad, can't stand Mad Men, but this, though it's not at S1 levels yet, is still intriguing enough.

I look forward to the next episodes as the characters deeper flaws/strengths are shown and the overall story takes hold.

popsicledeath_sl said:

Not nice to edit after someone already quotes you!

Would you quote the post or explain what I had an issue with? I'm not following what you're referring to. It would be nice if you clarified so we could discuss the point since it's clearly upsetting you.

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Think he's referring to me, and the point that I brought up that Velcoro was looking through the date book and said, "Psychiatrist appointments. He was seeing a shrink." To which I stated that that was bad writing, because obviously him seeing a shrink is implied by the fact that there are Psychiatrist appointments in the date book and therefore makes the statement of "He was seeing a shrink" redundant. But Homsar doesn't come off as being that bright, so I doubt he knows what implied or redundant mean.

Apparently TNT isn't the only one who knows drama.

Tee hee!

Chanur_sl said:

Yeah people are never redundant when posting their complaints over and over and over again.

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I expect my tv shows to be a little smarter than this thread. Not more entertaining, though.

grumblethorn_sl said:

First part is an observation. Second is a rhetorical statement, like, hmm a shrink? Such bad writing1111

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Great points, really, but let's go back to what your friend Homsar said about me:

Homsar_sl said:

ever since the premier happened you bitch about anything in the show. You have and issue with the way Farrell brought up the guy is seeing a shrink.....no one else had a issue or gave a shit about that but you bitched about it. If the show was doing anything that you are takling about it would be awful

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Turns out that wasn't even something I said. But, I guess now that Homsar believes it's important enough to warrant a discussion, let's look at that scene. They were just at his house, found his appointment book, Velcro is looking through his appointment book, for appointments and things, and says:

"psychiatrist appointments. He was seeing a shrink."

Now, great, the first part is an observation, but I'm not going to say the second part sounded like a "rhetorical statement, like, hmm a shrink?" because when people ask a question, or are surprised by something or having any reaction at all, they usually show that in their inflection or actions or tonal changes. Voice maybe rises: he was seeing a shrink? Or it's a serious development so a voice may become more measured, maybe the character turns to the other to reinforce the point with a serious tone "he was seeing a shrink." Or it's a break in the case, so there's a slight bit of intrigue or excitement when it's said, like, hey, this is interesting here, he was seeing a shrink!

Instead, what we get is Coolin delivering both lines one after another with the exact same tone and inflection. In fact, in what I would call shitty direction and/or editing, the shot is on him staring at the book the whole time those lines are delivered. So, what we get is she knows he's looking at an appointment book, he's looking at the appointment book, with appointments, and in a pretty monotone matter-of-fact way Velcro observes there are psychiatrist appointments, then further observes that means he was seeing a shrink.

In all, it's a stupid little thing that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of the show, but is one illustration of what has continually been direction that left something to be desired, in conjunction with clumsy lines of dialog that definitely could have been tightened up in editing, on top of being delivered in an uninteresting, monotone sort of way.

Here's the scene.

In the car after visiting the weird/disturbing scene of a crime and torture, where they found the suspects appointment book.

Velcro is tapping his fingers. McAnal is fidgeting with an e-cigarette

McAnal: Do you mind?

Velcro stops tapping his fingers. Continues to analyze the appointment book.

Velcro: Psychiatrist appointments. He was seeing a shrink.

McAnal: We need to call every appointment in that calendar. Should check all the circled dates against his GPS.

Velcro: Yea.

McAnal takes a hit from an e-cig.

Velcro: You pull off that e-cig. Not a lot of people do.

McAnal: This place gets a day to day influx of nearly 70,00 people, right? Where do they live?

Velcro,nearly interrupting her: I tried one once. It felt like it was smoking me. A real cigarette wouldn't make you feel like that.... maybe it was just a little bit too close to, uh, sucking a robot's dick. I don't know.

McAnal sighs and looks out the window, and stops fidgeting with her e-cigarette.

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Now, they just came from a crime scene that was bizarre and where someone was tortured, but they don't talk about that. Velcro astutely points out there are appointments in the appointment book, psychiatry appointments, which means he was seeing a shrink! McAdams responds with some pretty basic notion of following up on the appointments int he appointment book, which is surely why they took it as evidence. Velcro quips about e-cigs with all the philosophical gusto of pointing out there is lettuce in a house salad, while McAnal ignores him and reflects on the nature of the city, and the scene ends....

To me, it sure feels like there were redundant lines, obvious lines, shit that could have been cut out, things that could have elicited some sort of reaction between the two other than quiet disinterest or police small talk, and could have been acted in a way that didn't make it seem like they were bored with their own existences. To me, all that scene was doing was establishing there is a phsyciatrist to follow up with, which could have been established in a different scene, like at the scene of the crime, which seems far more relevant and exciting than them sitting in a car bored and boring.


But, yeah, hey I wasn't even the one to bring those lines or that scene up in the first place despite the assertion. It makes me wonder, though, if you guys can't even follow this thread, can't even engage semi-intelligently with the points being made here and instead just keep accusing others of making criticisms they didn't, and can't seem to present a coherent argument other than shit like 'huurrrr' and '111111' and can't do it with any intermediate grasp of the English language, then why should anyone else believe you're really paying attention to the nuances of a television show or even begin to understand why you may like or dislike something?

Does telling me to fuck off and stop watching give you more understanding of the show? And if you don't care to understand it, and just want to enjoy it, then why engage in people discussing it? Just enjoy it and ignore all the so-called idiots who have criticisms.

I mean, there are plenty of things I enjoy without fully understanding them, like flight and Taco Bell. Sometimes it's okay to admit things are over your head, or just not passionate about something to want to learn the finer nuances of it. For those times I've personally found it best to simply keep my mouth shut and eat my Taco Bell or stare out the window of an aircraft in wonderment not needing to know anything more than that I am enjoying it, to enjoy it.

Also, we all know you just have a hard on for me, Homsar. It's not like you're arguing or attacking everyone who has said things in the show were stupid, otherwise you'd be attacking this dumb fuck too:

Homsar_sl said:

Did seem kind of stupid of Velcoro not to clear the house first. Dont know why this guy wargs into a hawk if he planned on killing Farrell

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Jesus fuck, pretty sure you need to go on an ignore list now. Fucking tired of your omega level sandy vag.

damn, popsicle any valid points you made in criticizing the show, you are invalidating them with your argumentative attitude. all you need to do is present your critiques and let the chips fall where they may. you dont need to rip on anyone who has a differing opinion. its just a fricken tv show