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Guest, it's time once again for the massively important and exciting FoH Asshat Tournament!
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popsicledeath
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Sure, things can be unknown to the characters, or even the viewer, but is this the kind of thing worth taking that approach? We don't know who the man in the bird mask is, and despite some nitpicks regarding their approach, it's a good decision and keeps the tension and adds to the drama and gives them something to solve. The action and reactions match so far, and it pushes the story forward. But with the assault scene, the action seems to set the stage for a reaction that didn't come.
The next episode, which doesn't seem to be too far in the future so the next day or two, the wife tells Ray the police said someone beat up the guy, etc. So, the next day the wife knows the police know. Did the police talk to her directly? Was it on the news? We don't know, but shrug at this point, because so far we have a scene progression to follow:
Episode 1: Ray beats up the father of the son that bullied his kid.
Episode 2: Ray's ex-wife tells Ray the police said someone beat up the other kids father.
Episode 3: ???
Episode 4: ???
I don't remember the incident being brought up anywhere else, but feel free to help fill in the gaps. It seems to me a plot point was presented, a storyline started, and then look over there a car exploded, and over there a massive shootout! And it's not the only time they've done that. The missing girl, the reporter, the stolen car explosion footchase.
Remember the scene where Frank has his guys (I think?) beat down some local businessman and Frank goes in to chat him up? That was one of the strongest scenes of the show and that version of Frank could have been awesome where he's kinda charming and sarcastic, but in a sinister and threatening way. But instead, that scene amounts to nothing, and that version of Frank only really exists in that scene, as even other scenes where he could have approached it with that style and been successful, like the whole toothfairy scene, there's no ounce of that version of Frank. It's literally like we got one scene with a character that doesn't exist. Seriously, go back and watch that scene in season 2, because it's not the Frank we see in other scenes and is actually a really great scene.
But, meanwhile we get a crumb trail of scene after scene leading us through gay cop being gay, and Frank shooting blanks, and shaking down local business associates by boring money out of them, and scenes that go on too long (like imo the mayor's house). If they do actually pick up on the plot points they're leaving hanging it's going to seem even more egregious we got so many pointless filler scenes instead of ones that kept the story moving toward those forgotten plot points.
People talk about how both season have been slow, the difference is season one kept the story moving so there was always a sense of momentum and progression. While season 2 seems to introduce plot point it then drops, and has a ton of redundant scenes establishing the same thing over and over and too often feels like it's stalling or has taken an irrelevant detour.
The next episode, which doesn't seem to be too far in the future so the next day or two, the wife tells Ray the police said someone beat up the guy, etc. So, the next day the wife knows the police know. Did the police talk to her directly? Was it on the news? We don't know, but shrug at this point, because so far we have a scene progression to follow:
Episode 1: Ray beats up the father of the son that bullied his kid.
Episode 2: Ray's ex-wife tells Ray the police said someone beat up the other kids father.
Episode 3: ???
Episode 4: ???
I don't remember the incident being brought up anywhere else, but feel free to help fill in the gaps. It seems to me a plot point was presented, a storyline started, and then look over there a car exploded, and over there a massive shootout! And it's not the only time they've done that. The missing girl, the reporter, the stolen car explosion footchase.
Remember the scene where Frank has his guys (I think?) beat down some local businessman and Frank goes in to chat him up? That was one of the strongest scenes of the show and that version of Frank could have been awesome where he's kinda charming and sarcastic, but in a sinister and threatening way. But instead, that scene amounts to nothing, and that version of Frank only really exists in that scene, as even other scenes where he could have approached it with that style and been successful, like the whole toothfairy scene, there's no ounce of that version of Frank. It's literally like we got one scene with a character that doesn't exist. Seriously, go back and watch that scene in season 2, because it's not the Frank we see in other scenes and is actually a really great scene.
But, meanwhile we get a crumb trail of scene after scene leading us through gay cop being gay, and Frank shooting blanks, and shaking down local business associates by boring money out of them, and scenes that go on too long (like imo the mayor's house). If they do actually pick up on the plot points they're leaving hanging it's going to seem even more egregious we got so many pointless filler scenes instead of ones that kept the story moving toward those forgotten plot points.
People talk about how both season have been slow, the difference is season one kept the story moving so there was always a sense of momentum and progression. While season 2 seems to introduce plot point it then drops, and has a ton of redundant scenes establishing the same thing over and over and too often feels like it's stalling or has taken an irrelevant detour.
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popsicledeath
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My gripe as well. We should at least be a trail, even if it's a false one. We should have puzzle pieces being put together, even if the overall picture changes later. Confusion and ignorance isn't suspense.
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Chukzombi
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see, this i can agree with. we got so much left field shit, its impossible to differentiate whats just foreshadowing and whats just pretentious bullshit to add "flair" to these boring characters. as much of a bangup job farrell as velcoro is doing, he seems to be spinning his wheels most of the time. it also feels like mcadams is only there to please the SJW crowd butthurt that season 1 was focused on men
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khalid
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By the first episode, we knew someone was killing associates of VV and it involved mutilation of the body.
So basically the same fucking shit we knew after s1e1. Stop being a douchenozzle and expecting the show to drop all the information immediately. Plenty of shit has been happening these episodes, its SUPPOSED TO BE CONFUSING, the characters involved are confused. It would remove suspense if we knew much more than them.
Homsar
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We dont even know if it was lawn mower retard who killed the girl from the first episode, only that he was there when the girl escaped. Also wasnt he acting on his own and it wasnt even with the cult shit? there is a lot of crap from season 1 they didnt explain. Hey lets keep talking about yellow king skip forward 10+ years or yeah that dude died were pretty sure
We really have no idea who killed who is season 1
We really have no idea who killed who is season 1
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Chukzombi
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by the first episode we saw some corpse chilling out in a caddy and then at a rest station and 4 bozos being edgy. there was no purpose and there is still no fucking purpose. i would love to hear the "plenty of shit" going on that reveals the point of this season other than these same self involved bozos botch up this case.
Xevy
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Maybe you're too old to comprehend complex stuff nowadays. My parents don't get Inception, either.
khalid
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Every episode has shown VV progressing from kinda legit businessman back to mobster. We have seen whoever is targeting VV get more bloody. We have seen character development from all the characters. We have the mayor involved in more and more shady shit and how he is directly trying to shut down mcadams. We have Velcoro seeming torn between doing what he is pressured to do (backstab Mcadams somehow) to seeming to want to help her or solve the case. Now we don't know much about motorcycle cop but we have definitely learned more about him.
I mean, I get it, you want shit wrapped up in a bow. However, that is all your wishful thinking, since s1 wasn't like that at all. Hell, I agree with you that, at least so far, this season isn't nearly as good as s1. However, I am enjoying the shit out of it. I am looking forward to figuring out all the mysteries that this show has presented and trying to figure it out.
ZyyzYzzy
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I haven't been following this thread because of obvious reasons, it is AIDS. Please tell me you are being sarcastic. Given this thread last season, i take no chances with retards and this show.
Homsar
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Its been a long time since I watched season 1 but yellow king was possibly the Reverend who supposedly died during the time jump, the only thing we know for certain is that lawnmower man was the one the little girl described. we have no idea how far everything goes. In the end that they got the 1 guy and they arent going to get them all. Season 1 isnt really even about the fucking murder, its the Rust and Marty story. Was it clarified that it was lawn mower man that killed the girl from episode 1, was he acting on his own or was it with other cult people
Chukzombi
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the killer blew his wad in episode 1. he killed stan as an afterthought and has been relegated to shooting nerf bullets at velcoro and dressing up as a mime torching cars. none of these characters have progressed. semen started out making velcoro do his dirty work. mcadams a bitchy cop, gaycop started out a weird. velcoro is the only one you can say has had a character arc. he started out at the bottom pulling goon jobs for semen, then he gets shot by a nerf gun, doctor tells him to clean up his act and he recovers from his nerf gun injuries in a few hours and runs a marathon.. its terrible, but at least its something tangible. this case has not progressed. they are no closer to catching the killer now than they were when they started, the only difference is now they are pissing off a bunch of corrupt cops/politicians who may or may not be involved.
popsicledeath
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Summary: I don't remember what I watched, but what I do know is what I don't remember is specifically helpful in trying to argue against people during season 2!
I'm convinced.
I think this is where Homsar get all pissy and yells at someone saying this isn't season 1 so stop making that comparison, so he can keep trying to discredit people discussing season 2 by comparing things he doesn't remember from season 1.
Chukzombi
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i dont even want to compare it to season one because a show should be able to stand on its own merits. im trying to give this season the benefit of the doubt, but whenever i think about it i get pissed off at how poorly everything is being portrayed. i dont want things to be dumbed down, in fact i want things to be smart. i want things to stop being so fucking cliche. tossing in an homage to the opening shootout scene of predator 2 was fun for a few minutes, but ultimately pointless.
popsicledeath
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In the show we're watching the character gets shot from distance, knocked to the ground, injured enough he can't move or go for his gun, then gets shot a second time from inches away. Then, the next morning we see the shots tore through two layers of clothing and shredded his skin. Then we see the character struggling to even get up after being knocked cold until morning by the blasts. THEN he says he has a couple cracked ribs.
And you're seriously going to keep arguing that he would have been completely fine because some dude in a youtube video gets shot with a confetti cannon?
If Velcro was just joking around about the cracked ribs, then it was bad acting and/or bad writing because it seemed serious. If he was serious, then it was implausible and poor writing for him to be up and atam later that day. If that's not what happens when someone gets shot twice with rubber buckshot, then the whole bad writing thing again, etc. No matter how you slice it, it was a poorly implemented scene meant for cheap thrills and something about it at some point is implausible and stupid, just have to pick your implausibility I guess.
It doesn't matter, though, because no matter what it's still the most ridiculous thing in the show to try to defend. Have some sense and pick a smarter battle.
I do like how you edited from 10 days, down to 5, down to 3 probably, though. Your lack of credibility is endearing.
