True Detective

thing is , if the beatdown happened in the ghetto to black people then yeah there is a chance nobody in the department will raise a fuss. but in a middle class suburb to a white dude? ehh not so much. if this was reality and not nerf shotgun blast to the gut reality, velcoro would have had cops knocking on his door the next morning.

Yea....no. For one this is a dumb argument, but hey im at work, with that said, law enforcement varies wildly from county to county. Some communities have solid actors and good communication. Maybe even a streamlined beaurocratic process that fosters anti corruption efforts. But most law enforcement communities fiercly protect their own.

So it isnt even about corruption, its more about society as a whole and the liberties afforded to police. Think about it, Velcoro radiod in the address before going to said address to commit assault and battery. That right there shows you he was comfortable doing what he did. He was afforded that "luxury" if you will. A perk of the job.

That scene happens across this country multiple times a day and 90 percent of it not only goes unpunished but its not even viewed as a problem.

Where I live, if you resist arrest in any type of way and your a young/middle aged guy, your going to get your shit pushed in by the police pronto. They take you for a "joy ride" and make you never want to resist again to teach you a lesson. Hell ive been assaulted by Rhode Island beat cops just for watching a fight outside a night club, and not only did no one care but I had absolutely no recourse. Anyone who thinks the scene with Aspen and Velcoro isnt true to real life is very naive and sheltered.

Also, he IS under investigation and his superiors are actively covering for him as long as he does their dirty work. All of which makes it even more plausible.

Its really stupid to bitch about it when we havent got a chance to see how everything plays out, same with bitching about Birdman not killing Ray when we have no clue who the fuck he is. People are just searching for stuff to complain about this entire season

If it ends up never being explained why the killer didnt use lethal force on velcoro, then there will be some humble pie you need to partake of, mr Homsar

Why? all I said is you cant bitch until we know who the killer is, if thats the case then I'll have an issue with it

Yea I agree. It's like this thread has tainted my judgement of this season just by the sheer volume of second guessing and complaints. My buddy at work thinks its great and he loved season 1, and is kind of surprised I had some reservations about this season. Then I thought about how much I enjoyed the 1st ep and nodded in agreement that this is in fact still a quality show thats suffering from not being able to live up to the hype created by the unparalleled 1st season.

The question is why aren't they following their own narrative in a timely, logical way? Why aren't they simply showing or explaining why that incident went unreported, or is being investigated, or anything at all instead of leaving it to us to speculate on and make up bullshit defenses?

First it's that the father who got his ass kicked just didn't know who Velcro was, but no, that didn't make sense because Ray flat out told him he was a cop and it would be easy to figure out who he was. So then we get the defense that everything is just so darned corrupt, but wouldn't the powers that be have even more reason to be aware of incidents like that to keep them from creating more attention? So, then we move on to someone getting pushed around by cops outside a Rhode Island nightclub to explain why, in a tv show, an event like that doesn't get a followup scene?

And the defense that people get away with shit all the time is particularly weak in a show about cops solving crime. Yeah, people get away with murder, serial killers can kill dozens without getting caught, but is that going to be a satisfying defense if the theme of this show ends up being that bad people do bad things and nobody notices or cares so nothing ever gets resolved?

All they needed is one scene explaining what the fuck is going on with a narrative direction they themselves presented. One scene to progress the drama, tension and plot, instead of how many filler scenes that haven't progressed shit?

Jozu_sl said:

Yea I agree. It's like this thread has tainted my judgement of this season just by the sheer volume of second guessing and complaints. My buddy at work thinks its great and he loved season 1, and is kind of surprised I had some reservations about this season. Then I thought about how much I enjoyed the 1st ep and nodded in agreement that this is in fact still a quality show thats suffering from not being able to live up to the hype created by the unparalleled 1st season.

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Long before there was a ton of hype for season 1, and even after the hype became huge, there were people watching the show with relatively few complaints, nitpicks, issues, concerns, etc. If the only way you can explain the complaints and issues regarding season 2 is that it can't live up to the hype of season 1, you're ignoring the fact season one by and large managed to still live up to its own hype even with the whole green-ears-no-voodoo-god disappointment.

This season is so polarizing because it has so many fundamental issues. If you can't enjoy a show unless it's a pristine, untouched experience, then I would probably not read this thread or anything else online regarding this show and just enjoy it in silence like your buddy at work. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Was there any scene in all episodes so far that did not have in it one of the 4 main characters or Birdman?

Maester Chuk_sl said:

If it ends up never being explained why the killer didnt use lethal force on velcoro, then there will be some humble pie you need to partake of, mr Homsar

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I think it's safe to assume the person in the Raven's mask is affiliated with the PD in some way. That's why Velcoro had the "like cops use" line. It was a scare tactic. It doesn't even necessarily mean that Ravenhead is the actual killer of Casper.

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Was there any scene in all episodes so far that did not have in it one of the 4 main characters or Birdman?

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You're not trying a case, just answer your own question so you can make the point you already have ready without trying some court-room theatrics where you think you're walking someone into a brilliant trap.

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I think it's safe to assume the person in the Raven's mask is affiliated with the PD in some way. That's why Velcoro had the "like cops use" line. It was a scare tactic. It doesn't even necessarily mean that Ravenhead is the actual killer of Casper.

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But, remember the corruption... and people steal shit all the time... so it could be anyone. It could be Carcosa for all we know!

But yeah, aside from the whole magic plot armor aspect and a misstep imo by trying to make that a big, tense cliffhanger when we knew the outcome, I have no problem with us not knowing who the shooter is or their motives at this point. That's what they're working up to by the end, it seems, so we shouldn't know at this point.

My question is only semi-rhetorical. I can't think of scene without any of those 5 characters, but that does not mean there isn't.

This type of narrative focalization favors situations where we don't understand wtf is going on, because the characters also don't. The ripple effect of some actions can also be mostly invisible, which adds to the confusion (like here: Velcoro beats father -> ??? -> ex-wife tells him her mind about it OR Bezzerides go to Vinci's mayor's house -> ??? -> disciplinary actions fall from the sky). This is a bit of a staple of the californian corruption neo-noir like Chinatown or the recent Inherent Vice (where it is pushed to the max for comedy effect).

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Why? all I said is you cant bitch until we know who the killer is, if thats the case then I'll have an issue with it

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you're dispelling that scene like its our fault for being too stupid to understand whats really going and we have no right to be annoyed that the killer would graphically kill semen's business partner and henchmen but leave his enforcer, velcoro almost completely unscathed.

as i said earlier, unless the killer is somebody who loves velcoro nobody would not kill the cop who just sniffed out their hideyhole. i dont buy the "scare him away" theory. even though he did ask to be let off the case, i think that was due to his overall bad health

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you're dispelling that scene like its our fault for being too stupid to understand whats really going and we have no right to be annoyed that the killer would graphically kill semen's business partner and henchmen but leave his enforcer, velcoro almost completely unscathed.

as i said earlier, unless the killer is somebody who loves velcoro nobody would not kill the cop who just sniffed out their hideyhole. i dont buy the "scare him away" theory. even though he did ask to be let off the case, i think that was due to his overall bad health

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There could be any reason the killer/s would want to use Velcoro, and given that it was VV who sent him to that location in the first place what happened could easily be used to drive a wedge between Velcoro and VV...which might be the whole point. Honestly while he still reports in, it's clear he's sobering up and declined VV's offer to join up full time, so perhaps that wedge has been driven after all. I feel like they'll need to explain it somehow, just wondering what the angle will be.

The killer could only want to kill Pedophiles we dont fucking know, thats the who fucking mystery. Why people are complaining about it before the season is over is fucking stupid. Might as well bitch that they havent explained why the guy killed Stan or Casper. We dont even know if Birdman killed Stan

We really have no idea who killed Semyon's right hand man.

dont you think we should know by now why these things are happening? thats my biggest gripe. the lack of any reason behind these things, halfway through and half the shit just seems random as hell. is the killer after semen specifically? is this revenge on people who wronged the killer? is this to knock off the players in a real estate deal? or is it because the killer is really into birdheads and is killing people he thinks doesnt like them? we should know this shit by now. im trying really hard not to compare this to season 1, but by the first episode we knew that the killer was killing young girls and there was some ritualist body behind it.